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Post by: Ididntcomeback on May 29, 2009, 05:31:38 PM
As Germany is finally getting its act together I figure they deserve a thread
of their own.
Don`t know what is up with the date on this one.
But it came through as a Present time Google news alert ??

Germany's Battle Against Scientology

Germany's Battle Against Scientology
By Andrew Purvis/Berlin Monday, Dec. 17, 2007
Germany scientology
The Church of Scientology headquarters in Berlin, Germany
Miguel Villagran / AP


The interior ministers of Germany's 16 states have launched an investigation into the activities of the Church of Scientology, hoping to assemble the evidence to support banning the U.S.-based organization from operating in Germany. But skeptics question whether such a move is politically and legally tenable — or wise. A similar move by the state-level interior ministers in 1997 concluded, in its report, that "the Scientology organization, agenda and activities are marked by objectives that are fundamentally and permanently directed at abolishing the free democratic basic order," but that more time was needed to "conclusively evaluate" the group. In the intervening years, the Church of Scientology organization has continued to work in most of Germany's states.

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The new effort to close the group down may have been spurred by its raised profile in Germany over the past year. The opening of its new headquarters in Berlin last January put the organization back in the headlines, and it became the center of a national furor last summer when the German Defense Ministry initially barred access to a key location for the filming of a movie about about anti-Nazi hero Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg because the title role was played by high-profile Scientologist Tom Cruise. (Germany later relented).

Those behind the new effort to outlaw Scientology believe their prospects have improved since 1997. Ulrike Sweden, a spokesperson for the Hamburg Ministry of Interior, which has taken the lead in the latest efforts, says the most significant change is a 2004 ruling by a Cologne judge in a case brought by Scientologists to end surveillance by state intelligence agencies. The judge ruled that the monitoring was warranted because the activities of the Scientologists were a threat to German constitutional protections, and in particular the right of Germans to exercise their political will, the right to equal treatment, and guarantees against bodily harm. (The judge ruled, among other things, that the group brainwashes members.) Says Sweden, "For the first time we had a judge, and not just rumors, stating that the group was dangerous." (Since 1995, the Church of Scientology has not enjoyed the legal protections accorded to religions in Germany, after a judge ruled that it was not a religion but a group "masquerading as a religion in order to make a profit.")

A spokesperson for Scientology in Germany denies that the group brainwashes members or has a political agenda. The effort to compile information toward a ban is simply a "waste of taxpayer euros," the spokesperson said.

The new initiative requires Germany's intelligence agencies in each state to compile a dossier on Scientology activities that might violate the German constitution. Their report will probably be presented at the next meeting of interior ministers in the spring, and then delivered to Germany's federal interior minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble, who will have to decide whether or not to initiate a federal-level investigation. The Hamburg officials are hoping that in 2008 or 2009 a process will be initiated that will result in a federal ban on the organization, potentially freezing its assets and outlawing fund-raising and recruitment — restrictions similar to those that apply to several neo-Nazi organizations.

But German analysts, and some government officials speaking on condition of anonymity, doubt that the new effort will get very far. "It is not only unlikely, it won't happen," said one official familiar with the process. Having been alerted to the state-level investigation now under way, the Church of Scientology is likely be extra careful not to transgress the law. "If you really want to do this kind of thing, you keep quiet, you don't announce that you are going to do it, " said the official. Moreover, even if courts could uncover illegal behavior, it's a long step to banning the group altogether. "There are a lot of pedophiles in the Catholic Church but no one is talking about outlawing" the church, notes Ulrich Battis, professor of constitutional law at Berlin's Humboldt University, And bringing the full weight of the Federal government to bear on an organization that officials say has only 6,000 members in Germany would be seen as a disproportionate response given the political cost — Germany has been criticized by the U.S. State Department for restrictions it already places on Scientology. As one official put it, "We have other things to worry about."

Scientology's claim to be a church despite the German courts' ruling denying it such status could also cause problems for the government at home, where many Germans believe the question of what qualifies as a religion is a matter of personal conscience rather than government authority. Skeptics warn that taking steps to ban Scientology could backfire, either by driving members underground or by making them appear as victims of state persecution. The 1997 government probe prompted several Hollywood stars, including Dustin Hoffman and Goldie Hawn, to sign an advertisement printed in German newspapers comparing the move to the repression of Jews under Nazism. Writing in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, religion commentator Matthias Drobinski argued that Scientology is actually in decline in Germany, and that its gleaming new Berlin headquarters is "a shimmering fa�ade". Drobinksi credited its decline to the anti-Scientology monitoring and educational efforts by "the state, political parties, the established church and trade unions." Banning the group would simply give them an undeserved boost, he argued: "The demonization of the flagging troupe may only benefit one group — Scientology itself. "

Still, the state interior ministers appear determined to press ahead, portraying themselves as protectors of their citizens from a "threat," and suggesting, in the words of one government statement, that Germany's Nazi past obliges the government "to monitor the development of any extreme groups within its borders — even when the group's members are small in number." Speaking to reporters last week, Ralf Stegner, the interior minister for the state of Schleswig-Holstein, called Scientology a "totalitarian" organization. "They want to break people's will," he said. "That's why we have to fight them." Federal interior Minister Schaeuble, however, has yet to tip his hand on how he will respond to the states' initiative. His ministry has said that the group is unconstitutional, but in a statement Schaeuble himself said that the best way to deal with it was through "prevention and education." That suggests a legal ban on Scientology may not be imminent.,8599,1695514,00.html

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on February 22, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
SternTV:                Scientologist leaves the cult on camera

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 01, 2010, 10:09:18 AM

 Kai Wiesinger and scene from German Scientology movie on Nachtcafé

Hello to all fine anons here :)

In this short clip, Kai Wiesinger, who plays the Scientology-villain in the upcoming German movie about Scientology "Bis nichts mehr bleibt" ("Until nothing is left"), talks about production of that very same movie. As a little extra, there's another scene that I think has not been shown before to get your appetite going.

As always, this goodie is fully subtitled in English.


Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 08, 2010, 07:34:52 AM
           Caberta to host next event in Hamburg, March 26th 2010.

Crossposted and translation from
Thank you MJ for posting.

This is going to be BIG. Our very own Markus Stuckenbrock as well as Jesse Prince will attend! Here is the translation:


We cordially invite you to the educational event on the Scientology-Organisation:


on March 26th and 27th 2010, Handwerkskammer Hamburg, Holstenwall

March 26th 2010

Fates in Scientology from Hubbard to Miscavige:

People reporting from the center of power in the USA

Hana Whitfield, USA: L. Ron Hubbard, the founding years of the Sea Org
Jesse Prince, USA: David Miscavige assumes power
Bruce Hines, USA: Living in the Sea Org, the total control, the role of prominent members
Marc Headley, USA: The current situation, working conditions in the Sea Org elite unit, forced abortions for statistics, etc

Fates of Europeans

Wilfried Handl, Austria
Markus Stuckenbrock, Germany
Lino Bombonato, Germany

With discussion afterwards

March 27th 2010

10.00am Rightless individuals in ideologically closed systems - a comparison

Account of the situation in the former GDR:

Deputy of the federal commissioner for the files of the state security service of the former German Democratic Republic (GDR):

The surveillance practices of the state security service (Stasi) and its impact on the people.
Forced adoptions, reasons and consequences in the system of the former GDR
The role of prominents in the system of the former GDR, PR-strategy.

Portrayal of the Scientology Organisation

Ursula Caberta

Ideological principles, control system, government as a concept of an enemy

Graham Berry, USA: The effect of image on politics and justice




Panel discussion with all international and national guests on the midmorning event, expanding of the discussion the previous day.

Focus on: individuals after the escape - how does life go on?
What kind of assistance is needed to carve out a life in newfound freedom? Why do so few celebrities detach themselves from the system Scientology etc.

Discussion with the audience.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 13, 2010, 09:17:21 AM
Trouble is brewing between the Church of Scientology and German public broadcaster ARD ahead of the TV premiere of a drama portraying the controversial faith as dangerous and unethical.

“Bis nichts mehr bleibt,” or “Until nothing remains,” is the dramatised true story of a family torn apart by the religion, and Scientology officials may try to ban its broadcast on March 31, daily Süddeutsche Zeitung reported on Monday.

Scientology spokesperson Jürg Stettler told the paper that members of the church were not invited to a supposedly secretive press screening of the film last week, and ARD has tried “everything so that we don’t see the film before broadcast.”

“It is a violation of ARD’s programming guidelines, what they’re planning to spread,” he said. “The station is required to support religious tolerance, not the opposite.”

Until now, no German television station has directly addressed Scientology in such a fashion, which is designated as an anti-constitutional organisation in the country.

The film’s message is clear, the paper reported, portraying Scientology as a dangerous totalitarian organisation in direct conflict with democratic society.

Now the group is making its own documentary and plans to show it within the next two weeks in Hamburg or Munich.

More here...

and here...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 25, 2010, 04:49:19 PM
             "TIME" ran an article on Scientology back in `91.
"The cult of greed and power. (Google it.)
As a result TIME spent 10 years and $11,000,000
defending charges of liable in the courts. TIME won.

Nice to see them taking a tentative step back into the exposure of
this evil, deceptive CULT.

                       In Germany, Scientology Outrage Over a Critical Film

In a scene in a new fictional movie about Scientology called Until Nothing Remains, one of the group's leaders is giving an impassioned speech to followers in Germany. The camera pulls in tighter on the man's face, and all of a sudden, he cries out "Clear Germany!" to a round of rapturous applause. No, he's not talking about pushing all non-believers out of the country — he's referring to "the state of clear," a condition characterized by an absence of painful, reactive and uncontrollable emotions.

Because of scenes like this that Scientologists believe depict their religion in a frightening way, the group is not the least bit happy about the film, which airs on Germany's ARD public television network on March 31. In fact, Scientologists claim they are the victims of a "hate campaign" being propagated by the movement's critics. But Carl Bergengruen, the head of drama at a public broadcaster in southwest Germany who was instrumental in getting the movie made, insists that the filmmakers did not set out to vilify Scientology but to show how people can be drawn to "promises of salvation."

The movie tells the story of a young couple, Gine and Frank Reiner, who are brought into the religion through the manipulative tactics of Scientology recruiters. Eventually, the husband decides to leave the group, losing not only his wife in the process, but also his young child and a big portion of his family's inheritance, which his wife has donated to the church. Bergengruen says the film is loosely based on the real-life experiences of a German man named Heiner von Rönn, a one-time member of the organization. He says the filmmakers conducted exhaustive research in order to portray the religion as realistically as possible, including interviewing various former Scientology members and even going undercover to find out more about how the group works.

That such a negative portrayal of the religion is being produced in Germany is not surprising. Although the group has several thousand members in Germany, Scientology is not officially recognized as a religion and the German government monitors its operations. Authorities even tried to ban the group three years ago — a move that failed due to lack of evidence that the group was undermining the constitution.

This was when public mistrust of Scientologists was at its peak in Germany due to the controversial filming of the Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie. Many Germans were outraged that Cruise — with his strong affiliations with Scientology — had been chosen to play the role of Claus von Stauffenberg, a Nazi resistance fighter who some Germans regard as a national hero because of his attempted assassination of Adolf Hitler. Defense Ministry officials criticized the decision to allow the filmmakers to shoot scenes on historic German landmarks, such as the Bendlerblock where Stauffenberg was executed in 1944. But the final straw for many Germans was when Cruise was awarded a prestigious "Bambi" media award — similar to an Oscar — for his work in the film.

Cruise answered his critics in a 2007 interview with People magazine, asking Germans to "save your comments until you see the movie." "I want to think positive and concentrate on the film," he added. "I carry a great responsibility to the Germans, for whom a man like Stauffenberg means so much." (Read: "Why Germany Hates Tom Cruise."),8599,1637564,00.html

Scientologists say Until Nothing Remains presents an inaccurate view of their religion and that they're looking into taking legal action against the network. "Of course this must have consequences. Our lawyers are looking into this very carefully," Sabine Weber, a Scientology spokeswoman in Germany, tells TIME. She says she has only seen clips of the film but, at times, she couldn't help but "to laugh out loud." She refers to a scene in which the achievement of the "state of clear" is celebrated with alcohol, calling this "unthinkable." In another scene, the film depicts what could best be described as a Scientology penal camp, which Weber says doesn't exist. To voice their frustrations, the group's members have distributed flyers outside a screening accusing the filmmakers of discrimination. Weber says the group is even working on its own movie to tell its side of the story. That film includes interviews with Rönn's ex-wife and is expected to be released before the airing of Until Nothing Remains.

Ursula Caberta, head of the Hamburg Interior Ministry's Scientology Task Force and one of the consultants of the ARD network's film, says she doesn't see the harm in scrutinizing the group's practices through film. "I keep waiting for a big Hollywood picture on the topic," she says. It's probably safe to say that Cruise won't be starring in that vehicle — unless it paints Scientology in the proper light.

Read: "Scientology Trial in France: Can a Religion Be Banned?",8599,1901373,00.html,8599,1974924,00.html

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 25, 2010, 06:05:24 PM
This interview with Niki Stein, author and director of the film appeared in the newspaper "Frankfurter Rundschau":

original: Interview mit Niki Stein: Feinde der Verfassung | Frankfurter Rundschau - Medien

Mr. Stein, you took a deep and intensive look at Scientology for 1.5 years. What is your conclusion?

I don't know of a single publication that says: The danger is overstated. Not one. The statements by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and also by his successors can not be mistaken. It is about getting rid of a democratic liberal order and creating a state which strictly discriminates between able and unable people. In the end it is about what Hitler wanted too - to create a social-darwinist form of state.

Would you say that the danger posed by Scientology has been played down in recent years?

Definitely. It's not taken seriously, because people aren't informed about it. That's why I thought it important that this film was produced. It is incredibly courageous that the ARD dared to do something like this.

The film was created amongst strict secrecy. There was a prohibition of spreading infrormation and you purported to produce a crime show. Looking back, was the secrecy necessary?

Yes. If you produce a film about the anti-constitutionality of the NPD [remark: german neonazi party] there is going to be secrecy as well. Noone announces that beforehand. No journalist would get the idea to turn this into an accusation. When it comes to Scientology this happens - I don't understand why that is. But we also had a responsibility for our actors. Actors are sensitive people. I don't know how they would have reacted if they had received obscure phone calls.

You yourself received such calls, because Scientology found out about it because of an instance of carelessness. Were you afraid?

I wouldn't say I was afraid. Sometimes I had a strange feeling. But basically I expected much more. The attempts at intimidation were rather discreet. I wasn't threatened with something like: "Watch for your children." They're way too clever for that. You only get calls which state: "We know what you are doing." That's enough. There were also completely open offers in the spirit of "Before you say anything incorrect, rather talk to us."

How does the system of Scientology work, which is characterized by manipulation and dependency?

The basic priniciple is the principle of redefinition. They're talking about freedom the entire time. But freedom means subjection under their technology. Freedom means to become "Clear". But "Clear" means that you are apathetic to influences from the outside world and you're only open to scientological working orders.

In your film you portray how a family gets into the system of Scientology. What were your ideas and thoughts when you constructed your story?

The most important thing for me and at the same time the biggest hurdle I had to overcome was that you had to somehow develop some kind of empathy for the main character Frank, without the audience thinking: This couldn't happen to me. Because in that case you would think: Sure, this guy has a huge problem and I haven't, so it won't happen to me. Or to put this very directly: Only folks with mental issues join this.

How close is your film to reality?

What you're seeing in our film really happened in this or another way, wespoke with different ex-members. Of course we had to be extremely careful not to violate any personal rights [[of people involved]]. But the practices that we show - including the forms of intimidation, the harassment, the destruction of family, these RPF camps - they exist, there is research on this, it happens just that way. And worse. We really held ourselves back in order to prevent any possibility of a lawsuit.

The system of Scientology is directed towards the total efficiency of man. Isn't there a connection to our modern [performance society]?

You are completely right. Everyone has to make sure that he as a machine works even more perfectly. Basically, today's world is more receptive to scientology than the world of 20 years ago, when we still were strongly influenced by conceptions of freedom, against subjection, against authorities. We're living in a culture today in which everyone is expected to work harder on themselves. The demands are extreme. All of this is of benefit to a system that demands perfection. Under that aspect I think the film really touches upon current issues.

In Germany, Scientology has been monitored since 1997 by the Office for Protection of the Contitution. Procedures directed at a ban, such as those considered in France, haven't been undertaken here. Should Scientology be banned in Germany?

Yes, the organization is anti-constitutional in word and deed.
In other news concerning the film and Scientology's reaction: According to an article by Kölner Stadtanzeiger, at the Berlin headquarters of Scientology "bomb and death threats" against Scientology were mentioned, which had been caused by the "unprecedented campaign of defamation by the ARD".
Die Suche nach der Wahrheit - Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 27, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
                      Hamburg Symposium 2010 26th-27th Post Game
Okay it just started.

We have here:

    * Jessie Prince
    * Marc Headley
    * Amy Scobee
    * Hana Withfield
    * Jerry Withfield (former involved with Narconon, today deprogrammer)
    * Markus Stuckenbrock
    * Wilfried Handl

We´re here, filling half the room. The Rest is Press and some public.

We have about 4 Cameras here, and we try to tape as much as we can.

Follow the thread.  Great stuff.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 28, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Quick and dirty write-up of Hana Eltringham Whitfield's speech up at Infinite Complacency now.

There is stuff here even I didn`t know.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 28, 2010, 10:25:01 AM
                        MUST SEE !!!

Youtube vids of the Hamburg symposium are up

Find the links here...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 28, 2010, 07:33:16 PM
Videos and transcripts nicely laid out here...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 01, 2010, 08:34:05 PM
 Default  "German TV drama re-opens debate on banning Scientology"
German TV drama reopens debate on banning Scientology | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 01.04.2010

Scientology has no more than 6,000 members in Germany
German public broadcaster ARD touted its first film on Scientology as a genuine look behind the scenes. But representatives of the organization branded it a media-driven slander campaign.
The first-ever German television drama about Scientology has triggered a renewed public debate over whether politicians should ban the organization. Millions of viewers tuned in to the film "Until Nothing's Left" ("Bis nichts mehr bleibt") on Wednesday night.
Scientology itself is not amused about the film at all. The organization criticized what it called "campaign journalism" by public broadcaster ARD. Spokesman Juerg Stettler added that the group had produced their own documentary film to dispel 'misleading' elements of the programme.
click through for full article,,5416627,00.html

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 02, 2010, 04:36:47 PM
               Anti-Scientology drama a ratings hit for ARD
German TV movie 'Till Faith Do Us Part' based on real events

By Scott Roxborough

April 1, 2010, 07:03 AM ET
COLOGNE, Germany -- A German TV-movie about Scientology that claims to reveal the dark side of the organization was a huge ratings hit for public broadcaster ARD, with 8.7 million viewers tuning in Wednesday night, a 27% market share.

Germany has long been at odds with Scientology. Most here view the organization with suspicion. During the shooting of Brian Singer's war film "Valkyrie" in Berlin, famed Scientologist Tom Cruise was savaged in the German press for his beliefs.

The ARD film, "Till Faith Do Us Part" is a drama inspired by a real events. It focuses on a young couple in Hamburg. They both join Scientology. The husband becomes disenchanted as the group takes his money and brainwashes his wife. They separate and he begin a legal battle over the custody of their young child.

"Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous organization with social darwinistic designs," ARD spokesman Lars Jakob told THR.

Producers Teamworx based the story on real events and testimony from former Scientology members. They shot "Till Faith Do Us Part" in secret, fearing legal challenges from the group. Teamworx was also careful to label the film a drama, not a docu-drama, and say the story is not directly based on any living person.

Scientology has not sued ARD but on Wednesday they posted their own documentary online at which claims to tell the true story behind the film. In the video, a Scientology member interviews a mother and son, both Scientologists, about a custody battle in 2002/2003. They blame Hamburg politician Ursula Caberta, a vehement anti-Scientology activist and advisor on "Til Faith Do Us Part," for forcing the legal confrontation and destroying their family.

Telepool is handling world sales of "Till Faith Do Us Part" and will present the film to buyers at MIP-TV.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 12, 2010, 12:13:59 AM
German documentary... subtitled  ... on Scientology.
9 minutes 8 seconds. (Part one.)

Part one of five.

All five parts here...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 13, 2010, 04:46:24 PM
 Scilons Campaigning against German Film
Don't let the Scilons do all the voting, vote JA

Once again the Internet backfires on Slappy and crew.

Below is an email sent to me by a Scilon:

Vote NO (Nein).

An entheta film was made In Germany against Scientology.

The question being asked is: ‘Are you in favor of prohibiting Scientology Organizations?’.

1. Click on the link below

2. vote Nein (NO)

3. click on "Ergenbnis"

4. please forward this e-mail to other Scientologists.

Come on you anons. Takes less than 30 seconds.

Go here and vote JA  JA = yes. I`m in favour of banning scio

Scio is winning by a large margin.... as of Tuesday 13th April

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 13, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
                                  Until nothing  remains

Here are links to all nine youtube parts of the film... "Until nothing remains."

With English subtitles.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 27, 2010, 12:48:32 AM
Link to German TV show.
Ex scio interviewed.

Youtube video at top of page.
English translation further down this page

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on May 04, 2010, 08:36:59 AM
Berlin, 05/02/2010: The one year of weekly Flashraids Flashraid

Photos and video here...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on May 22, 2010, 01:52:50 PM
    "Until nothing is left"  wins a prize.

The Scientology-critical drama "Until nothing left is based on real events.   Hamburger Scientology-. The case of a Hamburg Scientology dropout, who lost in his own words his family to the organization ", as well as other dropout reports were the basis for the otherwise fictitious story of writer-director Niki Stone.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on September 03, 2010, 04:40:35 PM
                         Celebrity Center Munich closing down

there will be a manicure shop instead

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on September 10, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
                      Berlin, 09/09/2010: Win a free Stresstest!

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on September 13, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
   Berlin protest 11th Sept 2010

Photos , text, video.  WIN !!!

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on September 17, 2010, 11:43:59 PM

   The Cleared Planet - A journey into Scientology -

German Documentary (Part 1 / 3)

Not sure when this screened in Germany.
 It has subtitles.
The full version is one hour long.
These links only account for 25 minutes of it.

part 2

Part 3

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 08, 2010, 07:06:44 AM
                             Scientology TV discussion GERMAN

Discussion on National TV with our very own Markus, Heindl, and the Stettler-toad.

Vid with sub titles up soon.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 15, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
                        Berlin, 11/14/2010: Puppies!!!1!

   Good report with photos.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on January 03, 2011, 06:13:56 PM

                           Photos, report,  Video

                  Berlin, 01/02/2011: Welcome 2011 Raid at the Org

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 27, 2011, 05:58:13 PM
                        Until Nothing Remains 1/9

This is a MUST SEE German production dramatizing one families run in with the cult.

Click cc  (Bottom of screen. Next to 360 ) to get English subtitles on screen.

Part one.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 19, 2011, 04:06:04 PM
           SCHEITERN: Scientologists want to friend schoolkids on Facebook


German gov says Nein as 'church' tries to reach children with social media

By Jan Libbenga • Get more from this author

Posted in Policing, 18th April 2011 10:16 GMT

The Office for the Protection of the Constitution in North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) believes Scientology is recruiting children through Facebook and other social networks.

The domestic intelligence agency is ramping up its surveillance on the controversial group.

Scientology has posted several videos titled "Jugend für Menschenrechte" (Youth for human rights) and "Sag nein zu Drogen – sag ja zum Leben" (Say no to drugs, say yes to life) on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and other networks including the immensely popular SchülerVZ, which exclusively targets schoolkids. Viewers are encouraged to sign up for Scientology online groups.

The "church" has already recruited over 600 Scientologists in North Rhine-Westphalia, the most densely populated German federal state, and is planning to build a new church in the state capital of Düsseldorf.

The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution has had the church under surveillance since 1997. In March 2003, Scientology even went to court seeking to stop further surveillance, butt dropped its legal battle later, saying it was 'time to reflect on the whole purpose of this battle of legal material and reach a sensible solution.'

A couple of years ago Bavaria’s Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann, who believed that the Church maintains ambitions against the democratic basic order, encouraged state leaders across the country to ban the group, but didn't get enough support. However, Germany did ban the makers of a Tom Cruise movie from filming at military sites in the country because the actor "publicly professed to being a member of the Scientology cult".

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on May 06, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
                Scientology struggles to find followers amid recruitment drives

Published: 5 May 11

The Church of Scientology is losing members in Germany but is campaigning to recruit more followers and increase its size, the German government says.


The controversial organization has over 4,500 members in Germany, according to a federal government response to a parliamentary inquiry submitted by the socialist Left party.

In addition to working through its churches, known as “Orgs,” as well as “Celebrity Centres” and other missions, the group is promoting more than a dozen other Scientology-related initiatives.

Scientology has come under criticism in Germany, where the government suspects it of being an unconstitutional cult, although it has not been outright banned. Scientologists say they are treated unfairly by the government, which refuses to recognize the group as a religion.

Last month, the German authorities expressed alarm at reports that Scientologists were using social media, such as YouTube and Facebook to attempt to recruit young people.

As a response, intelligence officials said they were ramping up online surveillance of the group.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 17, 2011, 09:20:52 AM
Protest in Germany 12 Nov 2011.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 18, 2011, 08:52:21 AM
                                 Scientologists try to board Pirate Party

Published: 17 Nov 11 15:52 CET

Scientologists are trying to join Germany’s upstart Pirate Party, it has emerged, just weeks after it was revealed that two regional party figures had previously belonged to the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD).

    Two Pirates exposed as former NPD members - Politics (12 Oct 11)

Pirate Party leaders have confirmed that a number of applicants from North Rhine-Westphalia had been refused membership because of their known affiliation with Scientology.

Scientology, which calls itself a religion is not recognised as such in Germany, but is considered anti-constitutional and potentially subversive by authorities. The group's members are monitored closely by domestic intelligence officials.

The Pirates are “aware of the alleged involvement of members of the Scientology organization,” said party deputy chairman Bernd Schlömer. There are no known cases outside of North Rhine-Westphalia.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology in Düsseldorf said Scientologists made their own decisions on which parties to join and if they had become involved with the Pirates, “it was in no way initiated by us.”

Schlömer said that the Pirates’ regional blocks made party admission decisions, although it could be decided in December whether there should be nationally controlled criteria that could automatically exclude Scientologists.

Such a determination could conceivably apply retroactively, according to the Süddeutsche Zeitung.

A national Pirate spokesman told the Süddeutsche that in general, party members view religion as a "private matter," but some Pirates have been calling online for a ban on Scientologists joining the party.

Pirates in North Rhine Westphalia have been particularly vociferous, charging online that there was “very clear evidence of active Scientologists among new members.”

Valentin Seipt, a Pirate Party district chairman in Freising, Bavaria resigned in October after being exposed as a former NPD member. Matthias Bahner, who is a Pirate Party district council member in Greifswald, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania remained in his position after arguing his membership was a mistake he made in his youth.

The Local/DAPD/mdm

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 18, 2011, 04:13:09 PM
  Not new . But worth a look.  English subtitles.

                   Inside a cult - Scientology - MUST WATCH

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on January 16, 2012, 10:30:24 PM
Re: Rinder Speaks to the German Media

    This was forwarded to me.. not an "official translation" but I pretty good one.

    Ex-Scientologist about Cult Leader: "He Beat me, He had me Clean Toilets"

    Interview: Marc Felix Serrao

    For 20 years, Michael Rinder was the head of the feared intelligence agency of the Church of Scientology. In 2007 he left - because he couldn't cope with the cult leader's totalitarian methods anymore. Since then his own family despises him. In his first interview he explains why an open revolt in Scientology is only a matter of time.

    Since a few days ago, all hell has broken loose at Scientology. A Scientologist with conviction by the name of Debbie Cook sharply criticized the cult leader David Miscavige and his alleged wasteful conduct with donations in an e-mail sent to thousands of other Scientologists.

    Such strong statements were until now only known to come from former members and not from within the organization. An isolated occurence? Not at all, says Michael Rinder. There are few people who know the cult as well as the 56 year old Australian. Rinder already grew up in a family of Scientologists. He was a spokesperson and for more than 20 years head of the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology's infamous intelligence agency.

    In 2007 he left, because, as he says, he couldn't cope anymore with the totalitarian methods of the cult leader. In his first interview, which appears in Germany, he explains why an open revolt in Scientology is from his perspective, a mere question of time.

    SZ: Mr. Rinder, is the Church of Scientology in a state of crisis?

    Michael Rinder: It is. If you want to know why, you need to know who Debbie Cook is. She is the author of that critical mail - and she was a member of the Sea Organisation within Scientology (editorial remark: That's the name of the cult's elite unit; its members wear military-style uniforms and address their superiors with "Sir".)

    In contrast to people like me, Debbie was the whole time a member of the Church in good standing. She was popular, she enjoyed a lot of respect. This means that most members will have read her mail. And what Debbie has written impinges on Scientologists: She's quoting L Ron Hubbard's rules (editorial remark: who is the late cult founder, who died in 1986 and is enthusiastically adored by the members to this day) And she points out that very much of what the leadership of the Church does these days grossly contradicts them.

    SZ: According to Scientology, Debbie Cook represents an individual opinion, which was a sign of a "small, ignorant and unenlightened view of today's world."

    Rinder: This is a lame PR answer. It's an attempt at damage control, nothing more.

    SZ: And how big is the damage?

    Rinder: It's considerable. This can also be infered from the reactions following the first statement. By now Debbie has even been called an apostate. It may sound bizarre to your ears, but it is a message that is
    mainly directed at members. Debbie is an apostate, don't believe a word she says!

    SZ: What do you think, how many members secretely share Cook's criticism?

    Rinder: The majority.

    SZ: Seriously?

    Rinder: Yes. If the parishioners were to talk openly with you, everyone of them could tell you a story about the "vulture culture".

    SZ: Vulture culture?

    Rinder: It's the attitude of vultures. The obsession to squeeze as much money out of people as possible. This kind of thinking has permeated the organization in its entirety. And when Debbie brings up this painful subject, it resonates with every Scientologist.

    SZ: Then why aren't there thousands of such protest mails?

    Rinder: People are afraid, especially of the media. Debbie also didn't intend for her mail to become public.

    SZ: Do you know what's happening to her now?

    Rinder: We're not in contact.

    SZ: But if there is anyone who knows how Scientology deals with a critic, it's you.

    Rinder: That's true. I even have quite a precise idea of what is currently going on. At first the facebook police is activated. It informs all the members that Debbie must not remain "friends" with anybody. Then she is given the label of "suppressive person" - a prohibition of contact with her.

    And later you'll be able to observe an ever increasing number of attempts to paint the woman as a liar. As somebody who doesn't know anything. As a disgruntled former member who holds a grudge. That's standard procedure.

    SZ: That works?

    Rinder: Not as it used to. A lot of Scientology staff members live a completely isolated life. They don't read the press, they completely cut themselves off from anything that could be critical.

    For every member asking questions they need somebody to handle it. That's the nice thing about Debbie Cook. At first she's just causing a media reaction. But the long term consequences are enormous. The doubt has been planted. It's going to bear fruit.

    SZ: Let's talk about David Miscavige, the head of Scientology and Tom Cruise's best friend. Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of his rule?

    Rinder: No, that already happened before. But what is happening now is going to speed up his demise. His power depends on people listening to him. That they trust him to lead Scientology into the promised land. When this image starts to shake the whole structure of the Church starts to shake. It's entirely aligned to his person. Nobody there can do or decide anything without Miscavige's agreement.

    SZ: A dictator?

    Rinder: Absolutely.

    SZ: How well do you know him?

    Rinder: Oh, I know David Miscavige. We have worked together for a long time and very closely too.

    SZ: What kind of a person is he, good and bad both considered?

    Rinder: The bad clearly predominates. But [good/well]... He's an extremely fast learner, very intelligent. There is almost nothing which he cannot intellectually process. But he uses his intelligence to manipulate others.

    He's incredibly vain and very vindictive. If you question something he says he's going to teach you a lesson. He never allows people around him a minute of rest. His punishment is often arbitrary. You never know when you have to clean the toilet or when he's going to slap your face.

    SZ: He punched you?

    Rinder: Maybe 50 times. He beat me. He had me clean toilets. I had to sleep on the bare ground. I was sent into the hole. Things like that.

    SZ: Did you fight back?

    Rinder: I just covered my face with my arms. I wasn't the only one. There are many reports about his violent behaviour.

    SZ: Supposedly you also hit others.

    Rinder: Yes. David Miscavige told me and others: You'll now go over to that person and hit him. And if you don't do that then I will and after that I'm going to hit you too.

    SZ: Scientology denies what you say. Your own wife called you a liar on CNN.

    Rinder: People like my wife say everything out of fear. They march like good little robots and tell what Miscavige told them to. There were several wives of ex-members on CNN. Two of them even used the exact same word order.

    SZ: Supposedly Miscavige also has a dog that wears a uniform and which has to be greeted by members with a salute?

    Rinder: That's correct. The uniform is blue and there are golden stripes on the front.

    SZ: You describe yourself as an "independent Scientologist". What does that mean?

    Rinder: I believe that our philosophy has the potential to help people lead a better life. The organization, however, uses this knowledge to get to their money.

    SZ: So you aren't interested in obliterating critics and in world domination?

    Rinder: No. And I know that this is a huge topic in Germany in particular. This arrogance: We're superior, we alone know the way to happiness. David Miscavige bears responsibility for the fact that Scientology and its members are considered to be radical - in the sense of: crazy jihadists.

    This image does not represent reality, but is reinforced time and again when the church acts against critics and journalists like yourself and treats them like dirt.

    SZ: You're refering to the infamous "fair game" policy - the ruthless handling of critics. It's by far not the only principle that Scientology owes its bad reputation to. Such rules have always existed. They were created by the founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

    Rinder: [Well.] That could be a long discussion. So: I can understand how you arrive at that perspective. The "fair game" policy should never have been written that way [in the first place] and it was badly misinterpreted. The same holds true for the policy of "disconnection"...

    SZ: The duty to cut off contact with people who are "suppressive" in the eyes of Scientology.

    Rinder: Exactly. If you read everything Hubbard wrote on the subject, you will see that it was meant as a last resort. Disconnection was supposed to allow someone to be happy.

    If you are in an abusive relationship, then it is best to cut off contact. That was how it was [originally] intended. As a means to help the individual, not as a political means of control which grants the Church the power to say: You must no longer see this person or that person.

    SZ: Listening to you, it sounds as if Hubbard had been harmless. Ronald DeWolf, who passed away in 1991 and was the oldest son of the Scientology founder, described his father in an interview as a sadistic, violent and paranoid occultist, who in contrast to his own teachings of purity had drunk a lot of alcohol and also taken drugs.

    Rinder: First of all, I know that Nibs (editorial remark: De Wolf's nickname) has later taken back these statements. And secondly, I myself have spent a lot of time with Hubbard, as much as few others. He was the most brilliant person I ever got to know.

    Yes, he was moody at times and he could get angry when something went wrong. But was it always like that? No. Did he treat people like Miscavige? Not one bit. Did he care for his family? Absolutely. Did he take drugs? Absolutely not. Was he polite? Incredibly. Was he funny? Very much so.

    SZ: That sounds all fine and dandy. But it was Hubbard who created this unshakable distinction between the supposedly [clear] Scientologists and the rest, the "wogs", the "raw meet", the "suppressives". This world view of black and white, either with us or against us, that's pure Hubbard.

    And you yourself experience it, since you left, Mister Rinder. Now you are one of the bad guys. Even your family has declared war on you. How do you reconcile all of that?

    Rinder: By pushing out that church-like kind of thinking out of my life. We're on the same page: This position of us fighting against the rest of the world and treating every critic as an enemy, is wrong. You may find individual passages by Hubbard with which you can demonstrate that we're in disagreement.

    So what? There are many passages that have very different content. I'm not a full time interpreter of Hubbard's words who thinks about how to defend him with every sentence I utter. I just want the abuse to stop which is currently happening on a daily basis within the church.

    SZ: Your wife calls you a person which hates children and your daughter calls you a bigamist. Does that hurt?

    Rinder: Of course it hurts. But I have to protect myself. I know why they do that. They think that they don't have a choice. They even have visited my 86 year old mother in a home for elderly people and got her to write [mean] letters to me. But I know who I am. I know how I live.

    Now I have a five year old step-son who I love to bits and pieces. We have a wonderful relationship. If I really was such a horrible person, then why was Cathy married to me for 30 years? You know, I don't even read all that dirt anymore which they throw at me.

    SZ: From your point of view: Is there any way for you and your family to ever find reconciliation and peace?

    Rinder: Only if they wake up. Only if they recognize that they have been brainwashed.

    SZ: If you take a look at all you experienced: Do you see yourself as a victim or as a perpetrator?

    Rinder: I'm not a victim. I'm just reaping part of that which I have sown. And that's why I want to do my part in ending the abuse in this organization.

    SZ: There are few countries which treat the Church of Scientology in as critical a fashion as Germany: As a dangerous cult that financially ruins people, which knows no freedom of speech and which recklessly attacks critics and former members. In short: as a danger. Can you understand this criticism?

    Rinder: Certainly. But I would like to argue for a differentiation. The organization and its leadership are the problem, not the normal members. They should be allowed to think and believe in whatever they want without being stigmatized. After all, in many cases these are the same people who are being abused by the Church by pulling their money out of their pockets and by controlling them through the threat of disconnection.

    SZ: The latter is also of interest to the german Office for Protection of the Constitution.

    Rinder: And rightly so.

    SZ: If you take a look at all you experienced: Do you see yourself as a victim or as a perpetrator?

    Rinder: I'm not a victim. I'm just reaping part of that which I have sown. And that's why I want to do my part in ending the abuse in this organization.

German version...

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on January 23, 2012, 03:44:36 PM
               Berlin Ideal org filmed yesterday Jan 21nd 2012


"Anonymous Berlin "visited" the Ideal Org Berlin yesterday (21. January 2012)... Regulary they raid the Stress test "Table" at the Potsdamer Platz in Berlin, but since two weekends there are no Stress Test "Tables" and Scientologists anymore....

Staff and money is missing, 2 Ex Scientologists blown in the last year are talking about (a while ago), that they to safe money shouldn`t use the elevator and Sea Org was put in the Org as "Staff".

The Ideal Orgs will destroy the Cult. They can't finance it"

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 26, 2012, 08:52:16 AM
                  "As child I learned to control people" new article on " Sueddeutsche"

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on August 17, 2012, 04:23:42 PM

German TV: report about Biggi Reicherts suicide

    This Evening the German TV shows a report about Biggi Reicherts suicide. Biggi Reichert was an OT VII....

    Tuesday, August 14th at 21:15 NDR and
    Saturday, August 18th at 02:00 NDR.


also posted on Scientology on TV thread

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on September 06, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
                      Largest On-Line German Magazine Picks up Alexander Jentzsch's Story

    This is an important article for Germans to read!
    Below is a google translation of the article but do click the article link, visit the page and click the 'fotos' link of the 11 pictures Karen provided :


    The case of Alexander Jentzsch life and death in Scientology

    Mona Botros
    SPIEGEL ONLINE, Hamburg, Germany

    [..] Karen de la Carriere finally realized not know what the message meant. Casually she read what someone had written to her on Facebook. "Have you heard that Alexander Jentzsch's dead?"

    De La Carriere thought she tells it today, first to a confusion of names. But it was not about her 75-year-old ex-husband Heber Jentzsch. Alexander was actually meant. Her son.

    He was 27 years old, he died in early July. His death has become a Number: 2012-04365. Under this case, determine the number of Los Angeles authorities. There were no signs of external violence, there is no indication of a suicide, the coroner. Tissue tests will now shed light on the cause of death.

    The name Jentzsch under Scientology insiders known worldwide. Since 1982, Alexander's father is lifting the international spokesman for the organization, up to the nineties he was the face of Scientology in public. His mother was the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard personally recruited and trained.

    "He begged me to sign"

    Scientology says the reason of the death of Alexander to know already. In a circular e-mail announcing his godfather, a longtime Scientologist, Alexander died from a reaction to prescription drugs. He took it because he suffered from an accident caused by back pain. A surprising announcement: In Scientology drugs are generally frowned upon.

    Alexander Jentzsch was a handsome boy with dark eyes, to glamorous events, he was seen alongside Scientology celebrities like John Travolta and Chick Corea.

    But his life was anything but magical. The resolution of the small family begins when Alexander was three years old. Karen falls on the leader of Scientology, David Miscavige, due to a rash statement of favor. He orders the separation of Karen and Heber, 1988 following a divorce. Alexander now lives with his mother, the father is arranged a payment of $ 280 for the upkeep of his son. "In fact, nothing has paid jack. How could he, with an income of twelve dollars a week?" Says de la Carriere.

    She struggles to push through herself and her son. Although the parents share custody, Alexander sees his father, who represents Scientology around the world, almost never. Under the separation time is Alexander suffered his life.

    With eight years Alexander is recruited into the Sea Org, the elite organization of Scientology. The lure must have been irresistible for the boy. "They told him he would be able to spend much time with his father," recalls de la Carriere. "He begged me to sign." Alexander comes to a Scientology boarding school outside of Los Angeles.

    "All information is checked"

    Three years later, Alexander is in Clearwater, Florida, was appointed to the Fort Harrison Hotel, the spiritual headquarters of the sect. Scientologists come from all over the world come here to prove expensive courses. The boy had passed on cleaning toilets and scrubbing floors have up to twelve hours a day, it tells his mother. An education? None.

    Then something happened that Alexander probably charge for the rest of his life and what is known until years later.

    When Alexander is twelve years old, a 40-year-old Scientologist goes to him, who also works there. There have been repeated sexual assaults. When the matter is known internally, it acts quickly. Within 24 hours, Alexander is sent to the west coast in order to prevent any of the authorities of Florida.

    There will be long hours of interrogation, must have known at the end of the boy: he must never speak about the matter. De la Carriere experiences 14 years later by the abuse of her son. Dropouts who were involved in the cover-up of the incident reported to her what happened then is Alexander. "I remembered the moment he could not look me in the eyes when I picked him up from the airport," says Karen. "I dare not to think about what they did to him."

    The Department of Scientology with the spare in such cases is, "Office of Special Affairs" or OSA. Your mission is to prevent any damage of Scientology. Officially, the unit for public relations and legal affairs is responsible, in fact it is a kind of its own intelligence.

    Mike Rinder was for years at the head of the unit. Since 2007, he quit and is one of the best experts on the organization. "In a case like OSA makes every effort to keep the affair secret. All information is checked and every Scientologist is put under pressure, not to talk about it. With nobody," said cattle.

    Deported to the prison camp

    Mike Rinder knows the family Jentzsch, since Alexander was small, has worked closely for years with lifters. He witnessed the president of CSI increasingly at the head of the organization fell into disfavor. "David Miscavige has beaten him and humiliated," says cattle. "He could not stand that jack was all so popular." Miscavige had given him less and less jobs, sometime Heber Jentzsch disappeared entirely from the scene. He was reassigned to the international headquarters, two hours east of Los Angeles. "There, they locked him up in the hole," said the former head of OSA.

    "The Hole", which are two small office buildings, which are set up as a penal colony, and specifically designed for executives. Heber Jentzsch has lived there around 2006, according Rinders descriptions in atrocious conditions. Jentzsch had no access to his son. Mike Rinder knows whereof he speaks. He has seen the aged president there, as he also had to serve a prison sentence.

    Scientology objected Rinders descriptions: Jentzsch live and work in the church facilities. "Due to his age he rarely occurs on public than in the past", a church lawyer, wrote in a note to SPIEGEL ONLINE. Heber was "proud as we, at 50 years continuous service." Incidentally would Scientology should not rule on family Jentzsch and the death of Alexander continued.

    Alexander was isolated in his last two years of life, not only from his father but also by his mother. She got out in 2010 and since then is one of the movement "Independent Scientologists" to. The community still believes in Hubbard's teachings and practiced his methods.

    De la Carriere began, they become too critical of the organization, they declared an enemy of Scientology. Henceforth, no Scientologist may be in contact with her, not even her own son. "Alexander called me and said that I should not call him anymore and do not send e-mails."

    Separation to death

    Alexander Jentzsch and his wife Andrea leave the Sea Org in 2010, but remain members of Scientology. Andrea is expecting a child, and in the elite organization babies are unwanted. The couple is trying to rebuild their lives in Texas, but they experience setbacks. Andrea loses the child, Alexander dismissed. The two seem to distance themselves from each other. "Shortly before his death he has changed his relationship status on Facebook," recalls his mother.

    Alexander returns to the West Coast, alone and penniless. His mother, now a successful art dealer, he may still not ask for help. He comes in with his parents in the northern outskirts of Los Angeles. On 2 July he lay in bed in the morning, telling his parents later the police. He had not felt well and complained of fever. In the evening, he was still just lying there Sun No doctor is summoned. The next morning is an emergency call at the emergency room. Alexander is dead

    A few days later someone grieving mother has leaked a photo taken two weeks before his death. Since Alexander smiles into the camera. "It seemed to be doing well," Karen says desperately. Why the young man died?

    Ed Winter, spokesman for forensic Los Angeles County says, whether drugs were found near the body. And: "We have evidence that it had been some time dead before the emergency call was received on the morning of July 3." The investigation goes on, Alexander's death remains a mystery.

    On 10 July stands in front of a yacht in Lake Los Angeles. The sky is bright blue, the sea is calm. There is a heat wave, the first of the summer. The thermometer climbs to almost 40 degrees. On board the ship is the urn with ashes of Alexander. Be released as his remains, there is no funeral service.

    Karen de la Carriere organized a three days later. She was allowed to bury her son. "Scientology has intervened in the matter and our separation enforced even after Alexander's death," she says. Even one last look at his body has denied her daughter in law. [..]


Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on February 11, 2013, 07:39:43 AM
                         OSA / Scientology Lawyers attacking German Filmmaker

After my Broadcast Films about The Office of Special Afairs OSA that is now in the
NEW YORK FILMFESTIVAL and my Film about the "Death of a Scientologist" - OT 8 BIGGI REICHERT. It seems that OSA now has taken on my case.

Last week I received a Law enforcement document, telling me to not further broadcast the biggi reichert story and to not say several things that where part of the film.

Sadly the problem is, that only very few Scientologists are aware of what happened to her when she came to FLAG on feb 28th and left on March 1th of 2006 with 28 Brandmark - looking wounds on her head.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on February 23, 2013, 07:49:44 AM
                                      Scientology is still a red flag in Germany

Critics in Germany accuse the Scientology sect of denying fundamental human rights. The organization insists that it's a religion. While it is not banned, Germany's domestic intelligence monitors the group.


Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on April 16, 2013, 05:55:19 PM
Berlin - Anonymous Protests Against Scientology's Abusive Policies - Great Video!

    April 2013: See for yourself - and, "Live Your Life"

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on October 20, 2013, 07:13:54 AM
                                                          Letter to Daily Journal Editorial from Germany is, uh, strange


We in the newsroom have always applauded ourselves for reaching the masses, but we never in our wildest dreams expected to receive a 120 page letter to the editor from a resident of a small town in Germany.

Still, about three weeks ago, we did. A large manila envelope arrived in the Daily Journal newsroom with a forwarding address of Ellerndam 11, Deutschland.

Inside the envelope were a cover letter and a lengthy document composed in German on fairly high quality paper. The cover letter was dated October 30, 2007. Aside from the date, we could not understand a single word of it. A quick Google translation revealed this much:

“Dear Sir or Madam,

Attached I send a couple of documents and facts about the scientology church and organizations that are or may be deprived of you, and could be of interest.

Yours truly,

Karsten Sasse”

The main document was dated March 3, 1999 and addressed to the United Nation Commission for Human Rights. The text had no paragraphs or page breaks of any kind. While a translation of the entire letter, manifesto, novella, whatever the case may be, is not on our agenda, it is pretty obvious it has something to do with Scientology. The word is repeated several times in all caps throughout.

A dimes worth of research put us in touch with another publication, the Cadiz Record of Cadiz, Ky. Cadiz Record Reporter Franklin Clark composed a piece in 2011 when the Record received the exact same letter at their office.

Clark said he gets calls all the time from other publications receiving the same letter.

"There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. It doesn't matter the size of the paper, big or small," Clark said.

The date of receipt of the letter is also very staggered. This publication received the letter in September 2013, two years after the Cadiz Record received theirs. The Sun Chronicle of Attleboro, North Attleboro, Mass., received the same package in June of this year.

Whatever point Sasse may be trying to get across must certainly be important to him. Assuming he is spending his own money on postage and duplication fees this project must certainly be costing him a pretty penny. And while this reporter loves nothing more than to hold those in power accountable, it might help if he could read the darn letter. A request to the editors for a three-week expense paid trip to the German Alps for further investigation was not approved as of press time.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on November 27, 2013, 07:10:04 AM
                           German domestic intelligence service says its reviewing its surveillance of Scientology

Published November 26, 2013

BERLIN –  Germany's domestic intelligence service says it is reviewing its long-running surveillance of Scientology.

The agency, which tracks extremists in Germany, has monitored Scientology since the late 1990s and said in its latest annual report it considers the belief system "totalitarian" and a threat to democracy.

A spokeswoman for the agency on Tuesday confirmed German media reports over the weekend that its nationwide observation was being reviewed "as part of a process of prioritization."

She spoke on condition of anonymity according to agency regulations.

Interior Ministry spokesman Philipp Spauschus told reporters Monday there are no plans to stop surveillance of Scientology entirely.

A 2012 domestic intelligence report on Scientology claimed the group's membership in Germany had fallen by about 10 percent from a year earlier, to between 3,500 and 4,500.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on June 14, 2014, 08:29:52 AM
                                               New Ideal Org and Petition
Some days ago a German newspaper has written that the Scientologists in Stuttgart (a town in the South of Germany) wants to open an "Ideal Org".

They have bought a "house" in Stuttgart and the Ideal Org should be as usual the biggest one in Germany the newspaper says.

Anonymous Stuttgart has made on change[dot]org a petition against this Org. The petition asks the mayor of Stuttgart to stop Scientology to do this.

Please sign the petition and share.

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on June 27, 2014, 09:18:53 AM
                        Hamburg June 21th Raid 2014 Chanology [Germany]

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 04, 2014, 05:53:57 PM
                                                 In Berlin
                                                  Scientology stagniert, Salafisten auf Vormarsch
                                                             Scientology stagnant, Salafists on rise

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 05, 2014, 10:59:01 PM
                                       Scientology using European Court of Justice ruling to remove critical articles

Scientology using European Court of Justice ruling on "right to be forgotten" to remove Google links to critical articles.

Google translation from German to English:

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 25, 2015, 07:51:16 AM
                                       German National TV Report about "Foundation for a Drug Free World"

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 13, 2016, 11:29:11 PM
                                          German Court: Access to trade secrets may be withheld from Scientology member

Posted on ESMB by CommunicatorIC

    German Court: Access to trade secrets may be withheld from Scientology member.

    Legal Tribune Online has an article. The URL of the article in German is:

    The Google translation is:

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    Since there are doubts about the loyalty of the organization, a Scientology-member access to trade secrets may be withheld, the Berlin Administrative Court decided. A mechanic must therefore wait no Bundeswehr helicopter.

    Members of the Scientology organization may by a ruling of the Administrative Court (VG) Berlin access to classified information shall be denied (Urt. V. 05.31.2016, Az. VG 4 K 295.14). So the VG ruled in a judgment announced would.

    The applicant is employed as a mechanic in a helicopter manufacturer. The company produces civil helicopters, as well as military equipment, to which access is granted only with a so-called classified authorization. Therefore, the use in also carried out in the operation maintenance of machines the army requires a security check that performs the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology shall, upon request of the employer.

    In the case of the applicant, the Authority informed him that there was reasonable safety concerns because of its affiliation with Scientology. This is founded both doubts as to its reliability and the fact that it will at all times uphold the free democratic basic order.

    In particular, there is a risk that he survey method, will reveal secrets during so-called auditing, one provided by Scientology. The staff responded that he had let some guilty as a simple member of the organization never. He regarded the Scientology as a religion and therefore as his private affair. When in doubt, he would postpone the interests of Scientology towards the professional interests.

    No decision as to whether Scientology religion

    However, looking for a declaration of illegality of the notice lawsuit was unsuccessful. The VG confirmed the official procedure. The assumption that doubts about the reliability of the man existed was, unobjectionable. In assessing this question of authority come to a wide margin of appreciation which the Court may review only limited. Based on this scale, errors could not have been observed here.

    Neither is a false issue basis yet been misjudged the legal framework of the decision. In particular, is the assumption that members of the Scientology organization are obliged to unsparing revelation of truth, such as to cast doubt. That Scientology pursues anticonstitutional objectives, it is clear from many relevant sources. This must be the staff - as asserted ordinary member - be imputed. Whether Scientology is a religion, requiring no decision because the message was not a violation of the fundamental right to religious freedom.

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Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on July 24, 2016, 08:22:12 AM
                                                  German Federal Office warns consumers to stay away from Sci info booths

    The German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is warning consumers to stay away fromSci info booths in Bergedorf, Hamburg.

    The group has already been found operating under different names in Germany, and according to the recent statement from the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Hamburg residents are being warned about particular ad stands featuring the most common anti-drug slogan of all.

    The statement says the campaign is not linked to any drug rehab clinic or counseling service, but instead leads to a conversation with an agent of the Church of Scientology, as it tries to “win over new members.”

    The government body explains that “It is well known that the Scientology organization is observed by us, so it is unlikely that a single passerby would be interested if they openly used the ‘SO’ label." Hence the church uses many leaflets, the most common among them ‘The Truth About Drugs’, recognizable from its slogan and the black-and-green color scheme.

    It also warns people to steer clear of information booths the church is setting up this Saturday in Bergedorf, Hamburg. As with other leaflets in the campaign, it only gives a brief overview of the organization and encourages people to sign up. Back in 2011, Scientologists also used blogs and videos on social networks to promote their fake ‘Say no to drugs’ campaign.

    Is this the first time the government has gone so far as to issue a warning about a booth? I haven't seen it before, just wondering if anyone else had.

    Could Sci be in for more restrictions in Germany?
    Or is Russia trying to promote it's own anti-Sci agenda using this?

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on March 23, 2017, 06:50:53 AM
                              Haus der Kunst Will Face Independent Audit Over Scientology Controversy

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on June 17, 2018, 07:31:30 AM
                  Business Insider Germany

Google translation

How Edeka and other corporations want to protect themselves from Scientology infiltration

Scientology has been under surveillance by the German constitutional protection agency since 1997 in some federal states. In North Rhine-Westphalia, for example, the state authority is talking about a "danger to the liberal constitutional order" that derives from Scientology teachings.
Edeka wants to protect himself from Scientology
But not only the state wants to protect its citizens from the manipulation of believing Scientologists. Apparently, billion-dollar companies are now protecting themselves against infiltration by Scientology members. Just like Germany's biggest food retailer Edeka.
Business insiders have documents that show that Edeka has a labor contract that requires leaders to distance themselves from Scientology. "Disclaimer and Declaration of Commitment to Scientology Technology" is the name of a corresponding paragraph that Edeka has incorporated into middle management contracts.
It states that an employee who signs a contract states "that he does not use or work on the technology of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in any way, that he has not been trained by L. Ron Hubbard technology, or none Courses and / or seminars attended by the technology of L. Ron Hubbard. "
"Scientology is trying to infiltrate the economy"
New employees must also affirm that they reject "L. Ron Hubbard's technology to run a business, and in all its uses and manifestations."

New employees must also affirm that they reject "L. Ron Hubbard's technology to run a business, and in all its uses and manifestations."
Edeka headquarters in Hamburg: Germany's largest grocers arms in employment contracts against possible infiltration by Scientologists (archive image) Edeka headquarters in Hamburg: Germany's largest grocers arms in employment contracts against possible infiltration by Scientologists.

Did Edeka have problems with leaders in the Scientology Circle in the past? Or is the anti-Scientology clause a pure precaution? One thing is for sure: Already there are warnings about the infiltration of companies by Scientology. The Constitutional Protection Report states unequivocally: "In order to increase its influence, the SO (Scientology Organization - editor's note) endeavors to infiltrate the economy."

Title: Re: GERMANY
Post by: Ididntcomeback on October 19, 2018, 06:56:44 AM
                     Mismanagement, and a Scientology Scandal, Blamed in Munich Museum Chief’s Ouster