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« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2016, 07:44:43 AM »

                                                  Regressive Thinking

Posted on June 26, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/regressive-thinking/
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2016, 08:15:09 AM »

                                                          Bunkeroos vs. Scientologists

Posted on June 30, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun         WTF ????????

The cult of Tony Ortega has recently surpassed the church of Scientology in dysfunctionally partisan behavior.  I have obtained documentary evidence that Bunkeroos (slavish believers and followers of the word of The Underground Bunker) have been soliciting donations to hire private investigators.  The Bunkeroos are promoting the fulfillment of Tony Ortega’s published suggestions on behalf of Ray Jeffrey that the home of Monique Rathbun and her two-year-old child be put under surveillance.

What is so surreal about this situation is that had Monique Rathbun not selflessly endured similar treatment in the past, Tony Ortega and Ray Jeffrey would have long ago become Scientology road kill.  The same is true for the cluster of vermin who have partnered in the Ortega/Jeffrey campaign against Monique Rathbun.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/bunkeroos-vs-scientologists/
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2016, 08:01:24 AM »

                                                       Scientology Floggers
Posted on July 2, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun | Leave a comment

Within 24 hours of posting “Cyber Cults”, the anti-scientology cyber-cult came unglued. If you haven’t read Cyber Cults and its links, I suggest you do so before reading on. The links are to three thoroughly unrelated people – also unrelated to me – who independently shared experiences of cult-like behavior from flogger (a blogger who flogs the alleged lives of others for money) Tony Ortega. Immediately, Ortega followers zealously rallied to his defense, characterizing the calmly-stated, fact-filled observations I linked to as evil-motivated “attacks” upon their dear leader. What was remarkable was the almost uniform application of an important characteristic of cult behavior.

That is taken from Steve Hassan whom the Ortega cult itself has promoted as quite the authority on cults.  It is, “Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader’s or the group’s fault.”  Like so many hyenas, the anti-scientology cult members reactively rallied to attack in Ortega’s defense (ignoring the substance of the observations about his conduct) and viciously went after me and all three of those sharing independent experiences about their leader. We were accused of being Scientology operatives, mentally ill, and a plethora of derogatory epitaphs not fit for re-publication here.

One of Ortega’s more hysterical devotees called for censorship of myself and the other three, then targeted a facebook group (containing more than 400 members critical of scientology) as being fair game for having had the temerity to discuss the substance of my post Cyber Cults. Those pronunciamentos (and their avid acceptance and support by other cyber cultists) demonstrated most of the elements of the following additional Hassan cult characteristic:

Require members to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth
a. Adopting the group’s ‘map of reality’ as reality
b. Instill black and white thinking
c. Decide between good vs. evil
d. Organize people into us vs. them (insiders vs. outsiders)

For any who doubt these characterizations of the reaction to Cyber Cults, they can verify them by reading the thread themselves (or as much as they can stomach) at ex-scientologist message board.  While you read their treatment of the three I linked to along with me, keep in mind another of Hassan’s critical characteristics of a cult:

Promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness, such as
a. Identity guilt
b. You are not living up to your potential
c. Your family is deficient
d. Your past is suspect
e. Your affiliations are unwise
f. Your thoughts, feelings, actions are irrelevant or selfish
g. Social guilt
h. Historical guilt

This is an interesting study in extremism. As Robert Hughes aptly demonstrated in his book Culture of Complaint opposite extremes always seem to have a way of meeting (becoming almost indistinguishable in behavior). On that score, principal stars of the anti-scientology cult are warning people that it is “dangerous” to communicate with me. That’s right, it is dangerous to be exposed to ideas that don’t march lockstep with the cult’s doctrinal black and white, us vs. them mentality.  These include people being promoted by Ortega for working with him on tv specials on scientology disconnection. They apparently are so appalled by scientology’s notion of disconnect that they are actively advising people to disconnect from me.

What I have witnessed personally on the part of the anti-scientology community’s leading lights recently is behavior that makes the average dedicated scientologist seem extraordinarily open-minded and tolerant by comparison.

As a final side note, I noticed a lot of cyber-cultists characterizing my recent posts as some sort of ‘war’ on Tony Ortega and that I wish to engage him in some public debate.  That is another indication of their cult-like, insular belief that the real universe revolves around their play world.  As far as Ortega is concerned I am only preparing the ground to correct the public record he polluted for four months about my family.  He is merely one of thousands of click bait floggers plying his trade as floggers do. I have no intention of changing that – that is fundamentally who he is.  The vermin he carries water for might be another story.  It depends on how they continue to respond and not respond.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/scientology-floggers/
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2016, 06:24:49 PM »

                                                          You May Be Right
Posted on July 19, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun | 61 Comments

The verdict is in from the anti-scientology community (ASC), Marty Rathbun is crazy.

You can read and hear all about it across several ASC forums.

I accept the diagnosis as it pertains to the scientology (pro and anti) universe.  Insanity is loosely defined as not seeing or accepting the world as it is generally seen and accepted by the majority of people.

I noted in one of my books that the most valuable thing I got from my scientology experience was the ability to disagree.  That is, freedom from the automatic subconscious acceptance of the way others might want me to see or think.  Today I value that faculty more than ever. Modern science has come to understand that people think in narratives.  They accept them and create them and then judge new experience and data against them – much of that narrative building occurring sub consciously.  I reject the anti-scientology narrative as being at least as inaccurate, exaggerated, partisan and hysterical as the official scientology narrative.  That rejection of the former in no way implies an endorsement of the latter.

I find ASC’s resort to the ‘he’s crazy’ defense/offense to be apropos for a perhaps-final teaching moment in this milieu. I will share it notwithstanding the wave of ‘he’s nuts’ that doing so will inevitably provoke.

Those who have observed me and my detractors for very long will recall that the church of scientology preceded ASC in invoking the insanity defense/offense against me.  Remember the words of the immortal Tommy Davis: “He’s a f____ing lunatic!” As truth slowly struggles to the surface as it sometimes is forced to do, I believe you will find that there were two reasons for the copycatting.

First, the folks running the ASC agenda and authoring its narrative (including the insanity defense/offense) are OSA (Office of Special Affairs) trained and bred.  They often boast of their OSA expertise.  One of them makes good money plying it; another dishes out good money lording it over people. They liberally use that acumen to attack those whom they brand as the attackers. They most spiritedly – overtly and covertly – attack the credibility of anyone who might spoil their pity party by spreading that horrible disinfectant called truth.

Second, the ASC agenda setters have not had an original thought sprout in their heads as long as I have known them (and that is a very long time).  They are and have been wholly unoriginal creatures of stimulus-response thought. I only say this after making extraordinary efforts with each to coax them to rise above such patterns – and only now that they’ve decided no good deed ought go unpunished.

And so, some of the conspiracy chatter on ESMB and Underground Bunker that OSA has infiltrated and seized the ASC conversation – requiring vigilant censorship measures by Tony Ortega and Madam ESMB – contains a grain of truth.

What remains to be seen is whether it is the old OSA or the new OSA and whether the former more effectively influences the latter or vice versa.  In either event, my guess is that the losers will be those who cling desperately to their rusting firearms (and narratives) failing to recognize that the war has been over for several years now.

Then again, both Scientology and ASC may be right, I may be crazy.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/you-may-be-right/
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2016, 08:40:09 AM »

                                                 The Danger of a Single Story

Posted on July 23, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun |         103 Comments  Comments are vetted !!!

Reference: You May Be Right

The ASC (anti scientology community) leadership hunkered into their bunker to re-strategize after reading the above-referenced post. Apparently, my allusion to the inherent liability of adopting a single narrative in lock-step fashion was taken as a threat to their anti-scientology story-telling cottage industry.  For those who did not so viscerally react to the idea presented, the talk at the following link provides for a deeper understanding of what I intended by focusing attention on the narratives we have come to accept, build upon and cling to:
The Danger of a Single Story

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/the-danger-of-a-single-story/

Incidentally, labelling people as crazy and delusional is an age-old ‘solution’ for suppressing voices that might upset a single-story narrative that is profitable to some.
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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2016, 07:17:06 AM »

                                                             Ruthless
Posted on August 31, 2016

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/review-of-ron-miscaviges-book/
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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2016, 04:46:43 AM »

                              ???                        Louis Theroux’s Scientology Movie                             ???


Posted on September 5, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/louis-therouxs-scientology-movie/


There is more going on here than is being told !!!  idcb
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2016, 05:40:01 AM »

                               Steven Mango is a percipient witness to the interactions between Mark "Marty" Rathbun and Louis Theroux, and has responded on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/stevenfmang...61?pnref=story

[NOTE: The above link was the original source. It is now broken. See screenshot below for verification.]

* * * * * BEGIN QUOTATION * * * * *

Steven Mango
3 hrs ·

I was on set with Marty Rathbun and we filmed together for a whole day during The Hole reenactment scene. HERE IS THE TRUTH of what really happened on set of My Scientology Movie!! I was there on set the whole day of reenactment scenes when Marty was threatening to never discuss Scientology or speak to the press again and he talked about closing up shop on filming further for Louis' movie. That's all true, he told me he was tired of "the same old questions" about Scientology and he seemed annoyed at Louis -- and continually lashed out at Louis and the crew. Marty and I had an interesting conversation on camera that didn't make it into the film and we did hit it off. I don't have anything against the guy, this is just the truth of the matter. During filming, I even tried getting in the middle of Marty and Louis (on camera, not shown in the film) when things went awry between them and disagreements happened. I was trying to tell them how we were on the same team and we want to use this platform to accurately depict life in Scientology and to stop arguing. He would lash out at the director and at Louis and was difficult for the crew to work with. Now, we did get scripts of a general direction from Marty himself (he denies this) and we were cast to play specific staff members in The Hole. I was Marc Yager. Marty was directing the scenes and was very pleased during the scenes of violence and dramatic recreation. He was in charge of the authenticity of what we were filming as a re-creation from his own personal experience and wrote an outline for Louis and was approved for filming. I don't buy it as a dramatic recreation of Louis' own imagination when Marty did in fact approve this scene, including dramatization of Tom Cruise and other scenes that didn't make the cut (Debbie Cook, etc). Marty went along with filming knowing full well what was happening each step of the way. This film wouldn't have happened without Marty's participation, consulting, and knowledge of Scientology that lead to the final product. He is responsible for the outcome to some degree. At the NYC Tribeca film screening, John & Louis both told me that Marty has seen the film, was unhappy with his being portrayed as crazy, and is now in revenge mode of disassociating with the project altogether. *mic drop*

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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?41537-My-Scientology-Movie-written-by-Louis-Theroux/page12
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2016, 06:08:14 AM »

Originally Posted by Tony Ortega
Tom DeVocht has a short appearance in My Scientology Movie, and he also spent time as a prisoner in the Hole. He has seen the movie, and we asked him, was the portrayal of Miscavige abusing people in the Hole, as portrayed by Andrew Perez and overseen by Marty Rathbun, an accurate one?

Yes, he told us, but then he said the scene only began to portray Miscavige’s depravity. “There were times it got so much more intense, and so much uglier, you wouldn’t believe it,” DeVocht says. And he can’t understand why Rathbun would try and convince people that Miscavige was any less violent than the film portrays.

“It’s ridiculous that he’s saying that. How many of us were there and can tell you that’s the way it actually was?” DeVocht says. “Marty’s lost it. All of those statements he made are bullshit.”

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?41537-My-Scientology-Movie-written-by-Louis-Theroux/page12
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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2016, 05:41:34 PM »


                             
                                                    Exposing the Lies of Marty Rathbun | My Scientology Movie

Steven Mango

Published on Sep 6, 2016

I expose the truth behind what happened on set between Marty Rathbun and the BBC on the film set of My Scientology Movie. In My Scientology Movie, I discuss my story, as well as performed in reenactment scenes of experiences of others within the Church.

Marty Rathbun posted a blog discrediting the BBC and My Scientology Movie. However, I was on set with Marty and I tell the truth of how it was actually working on set with Mr. Rathbun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMzQcPKKmc
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2016, 08:58:41 AM »

                I will not be posting links to Marty Rathbun`s posts on Kiwianon.             

Here is a link to his site. Feel free to read them for yourself.

  https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

The mystery about Marty`s sudden change of attitude is solved by looking at steps 2 & 3 of the Scientology liability formula...

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The formula of Liability is:

    1.    Decide who are one’s friends.

    2.    Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has been pretending to be part of despite personal danger.

    3.    Make up the damage one has done by personal contribution far beyond the ordinary demands of a group member.

    4.    Apply for reentry to the group by asking the permission of each member of it to rejoin and rejoining only by majority permission. And if refused, repeating (2) and (3) and (4) until one is allowed to be a group member again.

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One day the truth about why he and Monique dropped their lawsuit against Scientology will come out.

When Marty posts about that, I will link to his posts again.
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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2016, 10:37:19 PM »

                      Exclusive: Ex-Scientologist Marty Rathbun On The Church’s Spying Budget, The Origins Of Auditing & Starting Over At Age 58



http://crimefeed.com/2016/11/ex-scientologist-marty-rathbun-reveals-church-leaders-dont-want-know/
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2017, 05:59:07 AM »

                  WhoIsMartyRathbun.com is no longer an attack site, it's a GoDaddy parking page.

 lkjl asdc • 13 hours ago

Hey folks, whoismartyrathbun.com is no longer an attack site, it's a GoDaddy parking page. I was already pretty certain Marty came to some agreement with the cult, and this just sort of cements it for me.


http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43551-WhoIsMartyRathbun-com-is-no-longer-an-attack-site-it-s-a-GoDaddy-parking-page
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2017, 11:31:34 PM »

                                               Spurned attorneys look for answers in Scientology case

http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/gilbert_garcia/article/Spurned-attorneys-look-for-answers-in-Scientology-12159669.php
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