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« on: January 18, 2009, 08:53:54 AM »

                          Wise Beard Man to Anonymous:

Yesterday, after putting up our first response to the idiotic Anonymous prankster who was arrested after slathering himself with vaseline and pubic hair clippings and rubbing himself on items at the Scientology building on W. 46th Street, we received this response from our old friend Mark Bunker, also known as Wise Beard Man:

"Oh, thank god you're writing about this."

He said he'd sent out his own "moderately angry" e-mail about the event to friends, and agreed to send us a message for all of Anonymous.

Here's Bunker's characteristically calm, generous statement. We'll follow with a comment on it afterwards:

BUNKER: In any group of people there are dopes. A nebulous group of anonymous people on the net might possibly have a slightly higher percentage of dopes -- but then maybe not quite as many as were in the Bush Administration.
I look around at work or at an event and try to spot the dopes. Quite often it turns out to be me. We humans are prone to doing some dopey things. I'd have to say covering yourself with Vaseline and pubes would be dopiness on an epic scale and it just makes you shake your head and wonder, "Why?"
But, look, not everyone is going to get it. And not everyone in Anonymous is on the same page. In fact, there are factions within Anonymous. Most of the people taking to the streets and speaking out against Scientology fraud and abuse understand there is a serious reason to take action. Others in Anonymous call us Moralfags. You can't please everyone.

But the unfortunate thing about a nebulous mass of people under one umbrella is if one person does something bad, stupid or illegal that can be used to tar everyone else. The great strength of anonymity and numbers can just as easily be a weakness.
In my first video to Anonymous, I suggested they act within the law and take this seriously because Scientology damn well takes it seriously and they will do everything they can to take down each person they can identify. Pubes Kid thought he was pulling a prank (a damn lousy one) but it got him in serious trouble.
Clearly, it doesn't help any cause and it gives ammunition to those who want to go gunning for bear. We've seen that in Riverside County in California where Scientology has enlisted the aid of County Supervisor Jeff Stone to shut down ALL protests at Scientology's desert compound in Hemet.  In fact, Scientology was kind enough to draft the proposed ordinance for Mr. Stone who put it on the fast track and pushed it through a week ago.
When Stone brought up the proposal, he started with a show and tell. He wanted everyone on the board to know just how vile, filthy, nasty, perverted, racist and hate-filled Anonymous is.  Scientology had provided him with a Dead Agent pack of smear material from some of the chans and Stone paraded it all out in public, comparing Anonymous to the worst neo-Nazis or klansmen that the world has ever seen. 
But Stone is wrong. I won't defend the vile images or words that were on display, but I can put them in context, which Mr. Stone was either unable or unwilling to do. There are some in Anonymous who like to shock, to produce the most outrageous stuff to get a reaction from people. Am I crazy about that? Not at all. But that not all Anonymous is. If it were, I wouldn't bother to write this.
I have met hundreds and hundreds of Anonymous members and heard from thousands more who may have started attacking Scientology for the lulz and moved beyond that. Who understand the reasons for speaking out and do so peacefully while enjoying cake and some extremely long chats.
I look at it this way, when the infamous 2 Girls 1 Cup video was flying around the net, I was sent links by a lot a people, long before Anonymous entered my life. At work, people gleefully shared the link to watch the look of horror come upon a co-workers face. Now, does that mean that everyone in my office is a depraved pornographer who relishes and basks in the most obscene of material? No. Or that even just the people who sent the links are depraved soulless monsters? No. Maybe one or two, tops but that's it.
But that's the way Supervisor Stone is looking at Anonymous. And as the shocking "chan" material can't totally define Anonymous, nor can Pubes Kid totally define the people protesting Scientology within Anonymous.

The people who protested the passage of Prop 8 were tarred by the Mormon church with the exact same charges Scientology hurls at Anonymous. "They're sending death threats -- they're violent -- they destroyed our property -- they sent white powder in envelopes to our churches." I haven't seen much evidence of that but even if a few dopes did some of those things, does that mean every gay person or supporter of gay marriage should be tarred by those actions? Of course not.

So to Pubes Kid I say, "Stop being a dope." END OF BUNKER MESSAGE

Well, that should make the Anonymous kids feel warm and fuzzy, because Wise Beard Man really lets them off the hook.

I'm surprised, Mark. Someone who's been doing this as long as you have understands how the media works when it comes to Scientology.

Now that the press has labeled an Anonymous operation (however rogue it happened to be) as a "hate crime," Anonymous members are going to find it much tougher to get other press organizations to take them seriously.

Many of the commenters to yesterday's posts offered us this pathetic calculus: "Anonymous may do stupid pranks, but Scientology really hurts people."

Sorry Anonymous, that doesn't work with reporters, and essentially puts you out of contention. Don't be surprised that from now on, any press mention of Anonymous will begin with the stupid Pubeit prank.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 09:01:50 AM »

For those here who remember the great writer William Burroughs.
Author of such books as Junkie and The Naked lunch.
Here is a brief account of his association with Scientology...

In 1972 Burroughs decided that his dissatisfaction with Scientology merited an attack on the organisation's premises, which were then located at 37 Fitzroy Street in Bloomsbury. Over a period of some weeks he haunted the premises, taking photographs and making tape-recordings. Sure enough, Miles recounts, within a couple of months the Scientologists had packed their bags and moved to 68 Tottenham Court Road.

Fortified by this success, Burroughs now attacked a new target, the Moka Bar, where, he complained, he had been the victim of 'outrageous and unprovoked discourtesy and poisonous cheesecake'. Burroughs began the attack on 3 August 1972, making no secret of his activities. 'They are seething in here', he reported. 'The horrible old proprietor, his frizzy-haired wife and slack-jawed son, the snarling counterman. I have them and they know it.'

As Burroughs returned on a daily basis to play the previous day's recordings and take more photographs, their business began to fall off and they kept shorter and shorter hours. On 30 October 1972, the Moka Bar closed. Later the premises reopened as the Queen's Snack Bar - 'a name', Miles notes, 'that gave Burroughs a certain degree of satisfaction.'

For the whole article...

And more about Burroughs in case you are a fan...
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 08:03:50 AM »

Scientology and Freedom of Religion
It has come to my attention, often and persistently, that the Church of Scientology and Scientologists do not understand the concept of "Freedom of Religion".

Scientologists frequently complain that their freedom of religion is being abridged -- but I know of no incident in the entire history of Scientology where a Scientologist was prevented from believing and practicing Scientology!

So how can Scientologists think their freedom of religion is being abridged?

The answer is obvious. Scientologists do not understand what "freedom of religion" actually means. Let's clarify this for them.

Freedom of religion is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance; the concept is generally recognized also to include the freedom to change religion or not to follow any religion. (From Wikipedia).

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America states:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Pretty simple. So, when a Scientologist says that they have (or should have) the right to follow the religion of their choice, they are correct. But, of course, no one is arguing that. No one is preventing them from doing just that.

But, you see, that isn't what the Church of Scientology and Scientologists mean when they claim "freedom of religion". Not nearly. They want "freedom of religion" to cover so much more than just the right to believe as they choose.

First, Scientology wants to be able to suppress all discussion of their religion, especially negative discussion. They want to be able to stop anyone from saying anything about Scientology that isn't approved by the church.

Get it? As part of their "freedom of religion" they want you to believe exactly as they believe -- in the absolute goodness of Hubbard, Miscavige and Scientology.

No, freedom of religion does not give Scientology the right to suppress free speech.

Further, it certainly is the right of Scientology to lie to its membership. After all, that is part of its belief system. And it is definitely the right of Scientology to withhold any information they want from its membership. Again, this is part of their belief system.

But this right to enforce lies and to suppress information does not extend beyond the Church of Scientology's membership. This means that non-Scientologists do have the right to expose the lies of the Church of Scientology. Non-Scientologists do have every right to read, listen to and discuss the "secrets" of Scientology. There is no law in any country that gives Scientology the "right" to impose its beliefs, its lies, its confidentiality, on people outside of Scientology.

No, freedom of religion does not give Scientology the right to impose their religious dogma on others.

Next, the Church of Scientology wants to be free from investigation into their illegal actions.

    * They run a number of "re-education" prison camps called "RPFs" where they lock up dissidents for years of hard labor and frequent "confessions".
    * Employees in the Sea Org are forced to work long, long days -- often 20-hour days, without breaks, without vacations, without weekends, for years -- and are paid well below the mandated minimum wage, in violation of many labor laws.
    * The Church of Scientology has admitted that Sea Org members have been beaten, but no reports to police were permitted. Sea Org members have been denied decent food or even meal breaks, they have been denied proper sleep and have even been forced to sleep at their desks or worse.
    * Women in the Sea Org are routinely ordered to have abortions or face severe punishments.
    * Married couples in the Sea Org are routinely ordered to divorce.
    * Sea Org members are denied all benefits. They are denied proper medical care. Very little, if any, money is ever paid by the church to Medicare or Social Security for any of its employees, and there are no retirement funds. Older members, who have outlived their usefulness to the Church of Scientology are simply cast out -- to live out the rest of their lives on the streets or depending on family to live.
    * And so much more.

Even when you have a believer's full agreement -- even signed documents, you may not commit crimes against them. No agreements, no waivers, no "contracts" can give you the right to break the law.

No, freedom of religion does not give the Church of Scientology immunity from the law.

When a person decides to leave Scientology, they will get into deep trouble with the church. They will be declared Suppressive. All Scientology friends and family will be required to disconnect from them. If the person leaving Scientology happens to be employed by a Scientologist, they will be fired. In other words, leaving Scientology is considered one of the very worst crimes you can commit.

One very basic part of freedom of religion is the right to leave a religion. And this means the right to leave without any punishment.

No, freedom of religion, in fact, forbids punishing Scientologists who choose to leave the Church of Scientology.

Yes, freedom of religion is a very important right and should not be abridged -- but it emphatically does not mean what the Church of Scientology wishes it to mean.

When Scientologists complain about being "denied their freedom of religion" it means they were denied their "right" to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 08:31:48 AM »

That's because they are a Mind Control UFO CULT!! Not a church!
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 07:54:26 AM »

             Garrison Keillor mentions Xenu in his column

For those who don`t know Garrison, he has run a radio show that`s
syndicated throughout the world. He is as apple pie as
Bill Cosby, or Allan Alda or Michael Landon.  Its called Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion.
There is even a movie.

A real gentleman. NZ National radio does his down home show here.

"Maybe Jessica's dismissal sends you spinning into a cult that believes that mankind is haunted and harried by the spirits of billions of people brought to Earth 75 million years ago by the intergalactic tyrant Xenu and you need to be hooked up to an e-meter to get free of them,"

It comes right after the continue reading link.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 11:56:52 PM »

Thursday, November 19, 2009

                                    Scientologists Disunited

The unity of the Scientology community isn’t so united today.

It used to be very simple.  All Scientologists had one very firm, very stable foundation for their belief system:  If L. Ron Hubbard said it, it was true.  Scientology was, and only was, what L. Ron Hubbard proclaimed.

Scientologists completely trusted the system.  If a policy letter or bulletin appeared, over Hubbard's signature, well, that was it – it came from Ron.  If it was later cancelled or revised, well, that must have been what Ron wanted done.

But it isn’t that easy any more.

Blame it on David Miscavige.

In the last three decades David Miscavige has been making massive alterations to just about every aspect of the Scientology technology and belief system.  He has drastically changed all the training.  He has changed how, when and why the tech is applied, changing basic definitions of key Scientology terms such as the “Second Dynamic”, the “Floating Needle” and so on.  Miscavige has completely rewritten Hubbard’s cherished books.  Miscavige even hired a voice actor to duplicate Hubbard’s voice to “fix” Hubbard’s lectures.  Everywhere you look in Scientology, you will see Miscavige, not Hubbard as the “Source” of the technology.  Everywhere you look in Scientology, you see Scientology as “re-created” by Miscavige.

And, today, Scientologists are finally realizing that things are not right.  Today, Scientologists are finally becoming aware of how much destruction and corruption Miscavige has inflicted on Scientology.

And therein lies the problem.

You see, Scientologists no longer know exactly which Scientology technology is “pure Hubbard” and which has been corrupted by Miscavige – or others.

The problem is this:  Every time Miscavige stuck his fingers in the technology and changed it the way he envisioned it should be, he claimed to have uncovered some heretofore lost letter or instruction from Hubbard

As time went on, Miscavige stopped even bothering with that canard and just changed whatever he wanted in whatever way he decided was best.  Even OT VIII (all the different versions) is believed by some to be authored by Miscavige and not Hubbard at all.

So, were there lost, hidden instructions from Hubbard for any of these changes?  Were some of the changes things Ron forgot?  Did Ron make fundamental mistakes that needed correction?  Are any of the changes something Ron would approve of?   If so, which?  Who can tell?  Who decides?

Given that Miscavige often bragged that he had mastered Hubbard’s handwriting and could forge documents and even Ron’s signature perfectly, is there any way to definitively prove any piece of tech changed in the last 30 years is “pure Hubbard”?

That's a major problem for Scientologists.  But wait, there’s more.

Now that the Scientology bubble has burst, Scientologists are now able to access hitherto forbidden documents.  Like the documentation that shows David Mayo was actually the person who developed and wrote the NOTs technology and the Happiness Rundown.  Additional documents indicate that other Scientology tech might have been developed by others – Power Processing, for instance.

What used to be a very simple thing for Scientologists has now become incredibly complex, if not impossible.

If a Scientologist still wants to apply Scientology, well, what is Scientology now?

And this is the primary source for today's disunity among Scientologists.  Without a trusted authority who can definitively verify and prove which Scientology tech is "pure" and which is corrupted, each Scientologist is forced to work that out for themselves.  And each Scientologist seems to have a different idea on it.

Undoubtedly, many will just find some new authority figure to make that decision for them, but there are now many different authorities with many different ideas on the subject.

No matter what, Scientologists can no longer be a completely united group.  From now on, a Scientologist's personal determination as to what works and what doesn't work is paramount, whether anyone verifies it as "pure" or not.

And that's actually the right way to do it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 07:22:15 PM »

                 Is scientology becoming the new cult of sports??

Article published in "The Black Athlete."

Eric D. Graham  tells it like it is.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 01:44:43 AM »

 Boston Megaraid Speeches: Larry Brennan, Nancy Many, Steve Hassan
Here are 3 speeches done yesterday at the Boston Megaraid by Larry Brennan, Nancy Many, and Steve Hassan, all of which are excellent.
They are done in the Boston Common, one of the oldest city parks in America, founded around 1637. The video was done by AnonSparrow.
Later in the afternoon these three say down for about an hour long discussion which I will add into this thread as soon as I see it has been uploaded.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 08:48:42 PM »

                New Video on scientology mind control and abuses

A few weeks ago Nancy Many, Steve Hassan and I had a talk recorded in my hotel room that was released on the internet.

I am happy to say that the second "hotel chat" has now been recorded and this one is between Steve Hassan, attorney Paul Grosswald and Karen Pressley (who worked directly under David Miscavige).

Here is the video:

Prepare for more truth to be coming out shortly through these kind of videoed chats, including one analyzing the 1993 IRS scientology actions and what can be done about it.

Happy fourth of July David Miscavige. Yes David this does tell more truth about you.

Anyway here you go folks, more truth and more help getting people out of cults like that run by organized scientology.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 08:08:36 PM »

Sunday, September 19, 2010

        The Church of Scientology Does Nothing

If you are like me, you are pretty bored right now with the Church of Scientology.  They do nothing.

Day after day, month after month, they do nothing.  You might hear fantastic claims being made by David Miscavige in one of his Big Events, about the "world saving solutions" that Scientology is implementing -- to great acclaim -- but that's just empty words, made up stories.  Nothing actually happened.  The church didn't actually do anything.

Here's what happens.  Some Scientologist gets excited, works real hard and "does something".  They might form a small group in their community.  They might discuss Scientology with some minor local government official.

In actual fact, it isn't much, and it never amounts to anything.

But they report it as a "win" to David Miscavige, and that's where things go crazy.  Miscavige gets all excited and dispatches his Gold Film Crew to "document this major breakthrough".

And by "document" Miscavige means, very specifically, "create a huge, exciting story about Scientology expansion and impressive impact on the world" (without any regard to what actually happened).

The Gold Film Crew know that they will be in deep, deep trouble if they report what actually happened -- and I mean RPF-prison-camp trouble.

So when the crew arrives and starts filming, they don't pay much attention to the original Scientologist or what he says.  They create a story that Miscavige wants.

Example:  The Scientologist's small group has, since the report was filed, actually disbanded.  It was only three people anyway and they lost interest.  The Gold Film Crew will gather up people, any people, put them in a room with Scientology books and charts, and film them as if they were the group.

If the story was about Scientology Volunteer Ministers, the Gold Film Crew will put those yellow VM shirts on everyone who tolerates it, pose them as if they were helping people, and film that.

If the story was about some conversation with some minor, local government official, the official will be "promoted" by the film crew to a much more prestigious position, and the story will be created about Scientology being "implemented broadly" throughout the whole country.

And nothing actually happened.  The Church of Scientology did nothing and the individual Scientologist did very little, the effect of which soon disappeared.

All the rest of the big "news" at Miscavige's Big Events is equally bogus.  At every event Miscavige announces the "destruction of psychiatry" or "unprecedented Scientology expansion" or "Scientology's solutions impacting the world"...

And nothing actually happened.  Psychiatry is doing quite well, Scientology's "solutions" aren't implemented anywhere in the real world and Scientology has collapsed and shows no signs of recovery.

David Miscavige, and his little Church of Scientology are boring -- all talk and no do.

The only excitement, and it is minor, is when David Miscavige reacts to a news report about his abuses, or when he reacts to the imagined threat of an "Independent Church of Scientology".  But even then, it's bluster and threat rather than action.

The Church of Scientology does nothing.  That's the news for today.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 07:06:26 PM »

Monday, September 27, 2010
              The Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy That Never Was
                      ... but, apparently, will never die.

You can't have much contact with Scientology without running into the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.

It is one of the core beliefs of Scientology.  L. Ron Hubbard was quite paranoid.  He believed that pretty much everyone was working against him.  This belief is built into the core of Scientology and is the motivation behind much of the abusive policies of Scientology.  The Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy is the primary reason for fair game, "enemy" declares, disconnection and other such illogical, abusive and sometimes illegal actions of Scientology.

But, as a friend of mine once said, "It isn't paranoia if people really are working against you."

Well, was it real, or was it paranoia?

The most noticeable thing about The Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy is the complete lack of any proof.  Outside of Hubbard's own claims, there isn't a single shred of evidence.

From the very early 1950's Hubbard told stories about this conspiracy.  "They" tried to kidnap him; "they" tried to lock him up; "they" tried to drug him. Exciting adventures that no one ever witnessed.  Stories that changed with every re-telling.  The Great Anti-Hubbard Conspiracy changed and grew with every telling.  Eventually, it became the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.

In 1967, Hubbard announced that the people behind the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy were just twelve, powerful people -- but he provided no proof.  In truth, his announcement surprised his closest staff, because they had not seen nor forwarded to Hubbard any such information.  "Where," they wondered, "did Ron get all this information?"

Some Scientologists believe that the FBI raid in 1977 confirmed the existence of the conspiracy, but that belief completely ignores the actual cause and effect.  The FBI raid was in response to Hubbard's "Operation Snow White", his massive spying operation on the government, which was implemented in 1974 and continued until the FBI raid and subsequent arrests in 1977.

Think about it.  If Hubbard and the Church of Scientology had been the object of a Great Conspiracy earlier, in 1974, the FBI would have already known about "Operation Snow White", even as it was planned, and it would have never succeeded as long as it did.  The only actual conspiracy was the church's conspiracy against the U.S. government.

That's simple logic.  But then, logic has never been Scientology's strong suit.

It should be pointed out here that one of the goals of "Operation Snow White" was to find and steal the evidence of this conspiracy.  Despite the tons and tons of documents stolen, absolutely no such evidence was ever found.

There is not, and never has been, any proof of any such conspiracy.

Psychiatry, the primary actor in Hubbard's Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy, doesn't pay any attention to Scientology.  While the church carries out huge, million dollar campaigns against psychiatrists and psychiatry, their response has been mild confusion and ... nothing.  What does it indicate when your "biggest enemy" isn't doing any fighting?

Again, simple logic says, "no conspiracy".  There is no evidence and there is no proof of any Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.

Of course, today, Scientologists are told, in various "confidential briefings", that the "Anonymous" protests are the latest manifestation of the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.

Are you kidding?  Are you kidding?!  A lot of kids in masks, carrying crude signs, dancing, telling jokes and Internet memes?  That's what Scientology's super-powerful enemies came up with?  Not in any way to denigrate the wonderful protesters, I admire them greatly for their selfless actions, but they are simply not what a Great Billion-Dollar Anti-Scientology Conspiracy would come up with as a method of destroying Scientology.  I mean, come on!

Not only that, but the birth of the Anonymous protests has been well documented -- and it was in response to the Church of Scientology's attempt to suppress embarrassing revelations on the Internet. Very well documented, indeed.

Do you begin to the logical pattern here?  Any attacks on the Church of Scientology are in direct response to illegal and unethical actions by the church.  These illegal and unethical actions by the church and the connection to the subsequent reaction and exposure of those illegal actions are very well documented.

But, says the Scientologist, it's all true!  David Miscavige said it, so it must be true.

OK, logic time again.  If it were true, if any of the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy were true, why hasn't the church leaked one tiny bit of proof?  If the Church of Scientology actually presented proof of this Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy, the resulting exposure would be totally wonderful for the church.  With irrefutable proof of the conspiracy, the church would demonstrate to the world that:

    * They were right about psychiatry and Big Pharma.
    * Scientology is the most important group on the planet.
    * Scientology's solutions do work and are a threat to psychiatry and Big Pharma.
    * Hubbard was right and was a genius who changed the world.

Those conclusions would follow automatically if the Church of Scientology presented the actual proof of the Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.  This kind of recognition and validation is what the church desperately wants and needs, so why doesn't the church present this evidence?

There is only one reason the Church of Scientology can't, won't and will never present their "proof" to the world and garner all these wonderful benefits:

    There is not and never has been any Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy.

All of the Church of Scientology's problems were caused by the church itself.  There is no one else to blame for their problems -- they have been battling themselves for over sixty years -- and losing all the time.
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                      Scientology Implosion: Commenters of the Week!
By Tony Ortega Sat., Jun. 25 2011

​Was this a week, or was this a week, fellow Scientology watchers!

We started out with a hallelujah chorus, Scientology style! We're talking about the 1990 "We Stand Tall" singalong that a tipster posted to YouTube and that we put up on the blog Monday morning. Later that day, we revealed that NatGeo's "Turnaround King," Grant Cardone, is a high-level, wealthy Scientologist who, e-mails show, slimed famed acting coach Milton Katselas. On Tuesday, we tided you over with video of Scientology goons hassling reporters Down Under. Then, on Thursday, came the big surprise: Scientology's Enemies List -- a handy guide to the fallen Scientologists and no-good journalists and other church critics in the Western U.S.

And then, what a Friday. We started out with an interview with Janet Reitman, author of Inside Scientology, then revealed a brand-new tease of Mark Bunker's upcoming documentary "Knowledge Report," and then finished off the day with a heartbreaking follow-up on the Milton Katselas story, showing how much Grant Cardone's slime job affected the 73-year-old acting coach.

Whew! Now, on to the awards...

As usual, we have two winners, but this week we're changing things up a little. Normally, we like to recognize a pro-Scientology commenter who comes to the defense of his or her church with style and wit. Problem is, there really wasn't any pro-church commenter this week who rose to the challenge, which is a shame. Come on, Scientologists, you can do better! You have a planet to clear and the least you can do is tell off our readers!

Our first winner this week is "Suzanne," reacting to her name not being on the Enemies list that showed up at Marty Rathbun's blog:

    Well, I can't believe I didn't make "the list"! My husband and my best friends are on it. And I was an "enemy" before ANY of them! It's not fair!!!

Take heart, Suzanne! Maybe you'll be on the next list.

Our other winner really knocked us out. "Sid" read our interview with Janet Reitman and then provided this stunning list of ways Scientology would need to change before it could shake off its bad reputation. I have to say, I was blown away by the astuteness of this rundown:

    Scientology needs to do way more than re-brand itself as self-help.

    Let's think about the changes that would need to be made in order for the Rest Of The Civilized World to accept it:-

    1. Stop lying about every single thing. Very difficult given Hubbard's "greatest number of dynamics" and "acceptable truths" dogma.

    2. Quit disgraceful policies such as disconnection and fair-game. Again, gonna be difficult as this is from LRH policies.

    3. Dismantle the bridge. Completely. There are no Body Thetans, there are no special abilities to be gained as OTs, there is no Total Freedom at the end of it. The best you'll get from going OT is Schizophrenic.

    4. Stop making unproven claims about what Scientology can do for you. Either admit that auditing makes you feel a little bit better for a while, or submit to independent testing which will prove that's all it is. Either provide proof that Scientology can cure cancer, or stop saying it can.

    5. Make amends. Use the CoS "war-chest" to say sorry to the thousands injured by the cult, instead of persecuting those who stand against it.

    6. End the nonsense about psychiatry and the healthcare industry. We all know the Holocaust was not caused by psychiatry, and you just infuriate people when you make such claims.

    7. Come clean about L Ron Hubbard. Allow an independent autobiography to be written about him with full access to church records.

    8. Introduce a Diversity, Equality and Respect policy. Welcome the LGBT community, get rid of horrible terms such as "Degraded Beings" and "SPs".

Thank you, Sid. We sure appreciate thoughtful comments like this, and from both sides. Hear that, LRH fans? Time to step up to the plate and make your case. We're listening!
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 11:44:06 AM »

                       Gerry Armstrong, Berlin 17. Sept. 2011

First four minutes in German. Then Gerry talks in English for 2 hours.

Worth every second.  You won`t often get to hear such a courageous man.

Armstrong Interview: CNN Headline News (1992)

Gerry Armstrong

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Gerry Armstrong was a scientologist for 12 years, from 1969 to 1981.

On his website he says:
”For eleven years I was in the organization's inner pseudo-military core, the Sea Organization (SO). There I held a number of key positions, including the Legal Officer, Public Relations Officer and Intelligence Officer on board the organization's "Flagship Apollo," from which Scientology was managed and controlled internationally. I worked with Scientology founder and director and SO Commodore L. Ron Hubbard on board the ship, and later in Florida and California.”

Hubbard's Biography Researcher

In my final two years in the SO, I had the task of collecting and assembling an archive of Hubbard's personal documents, and doing research for his biography. During the course of my research, I discovered and documented that Hubbard had lied about virtually every part of his life, including his education, degrees, family, explorations, military service, war wounds, scientific research, the efficacy of his " sciences" - Dianetics and Scientology - along with the actions and intentions of the organizations he created to sell and advance these "sciences."

When I attempted to get Scientology executives to correct the lies that the organization was promoting about Hubbard, and which Hubbard promoted about himself, I was attacked and ordered to be security checked. A "sec check" is an invasive, incriminatory Scientology interrogation technique using its E-meter lie detector. During my years in the SO, I had been subjected to hundreds of hours of sec checks, and had twice been ordered by Hubbard to the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) [1], the organization's punishment and reprogramming camps, for a total of twenty-five months. Rather than being again locked up and forced to submit to further abuse and degradation, I fled.

Fair Game

Immediately after leaving the organization, I became a target of Scientology's basic philosophy, policy and practice for dealing with criticism or opposition, which the organization calls "Fair Game." In one short description of this noxious concept, Hubbard wrote:

"ENEMY - SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

An "SP" in Scientology terminology is a "Suppressive Person, " considered by the Scientologists to be supremely evil, without any rights, and meriting destruction. Scientology declared me a Suppressive Person in early 1982 and has been subjecting me to Fair Game ever since.

Pursuant to its Fair Game doctrine, Scientology or its agents have:

    assaulted me on multiple occasions;
    terrorized me on the freeway;
    stolen photographs from me;
    broke into my car and stolen documents, a manuscript and original artwork;
    spied on me;
    threatened to assassinate me;
    threatened my family;
    harassed my neighbors;
    paid a corrupt police officer for a fake authorization to eavesdrop on me and my attorney and tap our telephones;
    illegally videotaped me;
    attempted numerous times to have me prosecuted on false criminal charges, including with the US Federal Bureau of Investigation;
    sued me six times;
    driven me into bankruptcy;
    carried out covert intelligence operations against me; and
    defamed me with hundreds of Black PR publications.

(Black PR or Black Propaganda is Scientology's policy and practice of destroying a person's reputation or public belief in him by willful and relentless slander and libel.)
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                            8 Steps out of Scientology

This page was cited from an article in the Guardian UK in 1997

Now renamed TEN Steps out of Scientology

IF Scientology is a bridge to OT levels of super dooper powers

why is this website here?

Title: 10 steps out of Scientology
Author: Arnie Lerma
Date: 31 Aug 1997 17:01:27 -0700

I was in the cult and on staff for 10 years... here are the stages I have seen... as one exits the 'Hubbardian' mind control program....

1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then
why is (______) going on?

[ insert whatever atrocity you have recently witnessed ]

2) The guys at the top must be crazy

3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension
[ or something similar ]

4) Hubbard went crazy at the end .....

5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966

6) Hubbard was mad from the start.

7) This whole thing is a complete fraud

8) my god, its a criminal organization... with criminal convictions
all over the world... and it was only about money

9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT's THERE!

10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about it
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 09:18:00 AM »

Three Years On.

    Quote Originally Posted by Disinfected

    Ya. One reason I never fit in so well is that I hated having to translate every comm into Hubbardese for it to be duplicated (seewhatididthere? x2)

    In the 1980's, I worked on the FH reno as a civil engineer and tried to get the management to understand that, for some things like asbestos remediation, fire protection, etc., you needed to bring in an expert. I made little headway until I wrote up this wonderful CSW all laced with Hubbard references on competence, professionalism, etc. etc. Then they hired the pro. Prolly 20 or so hours labor on my part researching and writing that CSW. Oy.

    Scientology is a children's game. Instead of saying "SIMON SAYS" they use the command: "RON SAYS".

    It works the same way.

    If, for example, you reported to them: "The Environmental Protection Agency has just inspected the building and found toxic, life-threatening levels of asbestos which needs to be removed immediately!" they would ignore you. Because the EPA said it.


    If you changed the words: "Ron says asbestos is bad for thetans and immediately needs be run on the Standard Asbestos Removal Rundown to full EP" they would do it promptly with VGI's.

    Just gotta put those words in there...

    "RON SAYS....."

    After Ron exteriorized in 1986, Scientologists got into some serious confusion and the stats started crashing to all-time lows because there were CoS Scientologists and Indie Scientologists and Freezone Scientologists all saying "Ron says..." to each other--and nobody knew what to do.

    Well technically, Scientologists didn't know what to do before that either. But at least they felt good about it.

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