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« on: October 27, 2009, 11:40:17 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327569.stm

                      French court convicts Scientology

    A French court has convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in France.

    Two branches of the group's French operations and its leader in France have been fined, reports say.

    The case centred on a complaint by a woman who says she was pressured into paying large sums of money after being offered a free personality test.

    The Church denied that any mental manipulation took place.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6687853.html

PARIS — A Paris court has convicted the Church of Scientology's French branch of fraud and fined it euro400,000 ($600,000) but stopped short of a ban on the group that was sought by prosecutors.

The court on Tuesday convicted four of six leaders of the group of organized fraud for pressuring members into paying large sums of money for questionable financial gain. It handed them suspended sentences of between 10 months and two years. The other two were given fines of euro1,000 and euro2,000.

The court did not order the group to shut down, ruling that it would be likely to continue its activities anyway, "outside any legal framework."

Prosecutors had requested that the group be dissolved in France and be fined euro2 million.


It's too bad none of the criminals are going to prison and the criminal enterprise will be allowed to still function
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 06:31:18 AM »

Viva la France!!!!!
Kick Arse!!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 06:38:56 AM »

http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/10/courts-ruling.html

Here is a summary of the verdict and sentences in the Paris trial of Scientology. I have laid it out in the same style I used for What the Prosecution Wants to give you an idea of how far the court followed their recommendations.

Perhaps the most important feature of the judgment is what the court did not do: it made no ruling that would restrict the activities of either the Celebrity Centre or the SEL bookshop.

But the following individuals and organisations were convicted of organised fraud against some, but not all the alleged victims (of which more below):

The Association Spirituelle de l’Eglise de Scientologie CC (ASES), the Celebrity Centre, was convicted of organised fraud against the plaintiffs Aude-Claire Malton and Eric Aubry.

It was fined 400,000 euros and ordered to pay for the details of the conviction to be published in the major French and English-language news outlets including Le Monde, Le Figaro, Libération, the Herald Tribune and Time Magazine – and their websites.

Scientology’s network of bookshops Scientologie Espace Liberté (SEL) was also convicted of organised fraud against the Malton and Aubry. It was fined 200,000 euros and ordered to pay for the publication of the conviction in the same newspapers and their websites.

Both organisations were also required to publish details of the conviction on their own websites for a period of two months.

These were the sentences for the individual defendants charged on this count, against either Malton, Aubry or both plaintiffs:

    * Alain Rosenberg, the managing director of the Celebrity Centre, was convicted of organised fraud against Malton and Aubry; and of complicity in the illegal exercise of pharmacy. He received a two-year suspended prison sentence and a 30,000-euro fine;
    * Didier Michaux, the bookshop’s star salesman, was convicted of organised fraud against Eric Aubry – but cleared on the same charge relating to Aude-Claire Malton. He received an 18-month suspended sentence and a 20,000-euro fine;
    * Jean-François Valli, the other bookshop salesman, who also did work for the Celebrity Centre, was convicted of organised fraud against Aude-Claire Malton – but cleared on the same charge relating to Aubry. He received an 18-months suspended sentence and a 10,000-euro fine;
    * Sabine Jacquart, who was president of the Celebrity Centre, was convicted of organised fraud against both Malton and Aubry; and of complicity in the illegal exercise of pharmacy. She received a 10-month suspended sentence and a 5,000-euro fine;
    * Aline Fabre, who supervised the Purification Rundown at the Celebrity Centre, was convicted of the illegal exercise of pharmacy. She was fined 2,000 euros;
    * Marie Anne Pasturel, who acted as an intermediary for G&G in France, taking orders for the vitamins required for the Rundown, was convicted of the illegal exercise of pharmacy and fined 1,000 euros.

All the defendants charged in relation to Pierre Auffret and his company Parangon – the Celebrity Centre, the bookshop SEL, Rosenberg, Jacquart, Valli, Michaux – were acquitted.

The court took into account the fact that Auffret himself had not filed a complaint: and he had insisted to investigators that any payments he had made were made willingly.

For the plaintiffs:

Aude-Claire Malton

On the fraud conviction:

Michaux, Rosenberg, Valli and Jacquart, as well as the Celebrity Centre and the SEL bookshop were ordered to pay Malton 6,000 euros between them in material and moral damages.

On the convictions relating to the illegal exercise of pharmacy:

Fabre, Jacquart, Pasturel and Rosenberg were ordered to pay Malton 450 euros between them in material and moral damages.

All the defendants, including the two organisations, were ordered to pay Malton 750 euros each towards her legal costs.

The National Council for the Order of Pharmacists (CNOP)

On the convictions relating to the illegal exercise of pharmacy:

Fabre, Jacquart, Pasturel and Rosenberg were ordered to pay 8,000 euros between them in damages to the CNOP.

They were also ordered to pay between them a sum not exceeding 2,000 euros for the publication of the judgment in Le Quotidien des Pharmaciens (presumably the profession’s daily journal).

The four defendants were also ordered to pay the CNOP 1,250 euros each towards legal costs.

UNADFI’s application for plaintiff status

The court rejected an application by UNADFI, France’s federation of counter-cult groups, to become plaintiffs in the case.

The court accepted defence arguments that while the organisation had changed its statutes to qualify as a plaintiff, at the time of the events in question it did not qualify. (That would however appear to leave the door open for a fresh application at a future trial.)

For the plaintiff Nelly Reziga

Although she was accepted as a plaintiff in the case, Max Barbault, the defendant charged with regard to her complaint, died before the case came to trial. That effectively ended her status as plaintiff.

Neither Alain Rosenberg nor Anne Marie Pasturel attended the hearing.

The court also requested a request by lawyers for the defence to reopen the debate in the light. Maître Patrick Maisonneuve for the defence had announced the move in the wake of the political row that blew up in September over the change of law that removed the option of shutting down an organisation convicted of fraud. (The prosecution had recommended that this law be used against Scientology, unaware that the law had been changed just weeks before the trial.)

The defence bid was opposed by Maître Olivier Morice for the plaintiffs, and the court rejected it on the grounds that it mentioned nothing that would add to what had already been debated during the trial.

Despite the guilty verdict and the fines, there were plenty of smiles on the defence side during the reading of the verdict.

Maître Maisonneuve for the Celebrity Centre and Maître Louis Pamponet for the bookshop SEL (I think it was him) both looked extremely relieved – presumably because there was no attempt by the court to restrict the activities of either organisation.

Outside the court however, Maisonneuve said that they would be appealing the verdict.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 07:03:06 AM »



1. GUILTY Alain Rosenberg - 2 years prison (suspended) 30,000E fine *+
2. GUILTY Didier Michaux - 18 months Prison (suspended) 20,000E fine *
3. GUILTY Jean-François Valli - 18 months Prison (suspended) 10,000E fine *
4. GUILTY Sabine Jacquart - 10 months Prison (suspended) 5,000E fine *+
5. GUILTY Aline Fabre - 2,000E fine ~
6. GUILTY Marie Anne Pasturel - 1,000E fine ~
7. GUILTY Celebrity Centre - 400,000E fine * &
8. GUILTY Scientology Bookstore - 200,000E fine * &
* = organized fraud
+ = complicity in the illegal exercise of pharmacy
~ = illegal exercise of pharmacy
& = ordered to publish judgment in newspaper

This is going viral. News media all over the world are covering this..

Scientology ...you are a marked cult.
They have to display the sentences on french and english media, including their own websites...

Definately more to come on this story.

Naturally Scientology has said it will be appealing.

However the world has a message for Scientology.
You just aren`t that appealing !!

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 07:34:25 PM »

Scientology, you're fucked!!!!
And good fucking job!!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 09:39:39 AM »

with regard to appeal:

For a start this is a CRIMINAL conviction NOT a civil one
Appeals are ONLY judged on evidence given at trial to see if it was properly conducted - they have very little wriggle room.

I guess they could say it was a mistrial and start all over again - but - if they did that then this little law on dissolving them will be back on the statute book!!

I don't think an appeal court could find them "not guilty" - it's not what they do.  I think they can tinker with the sentences - UP or DOWN!!

Anyway girls and boys - once more we can emphasise -  it's a CRIMINAL CULT!!

We can call them "FRAUDSTERS" without fear.

We can demand they stop perpetrating their FRAUD in New Zealand.

When they whinge about religious freedom - just say - this was a "CRIMINAL TRIAL" - they broke the laws of the land - absolutely NOTHING to do with religious freedom and what people do or do not believe.

We all know they will cry "persecution" indeed they probably already have.  Just say - "what gives you the right to break the law"?  If you don't like the law then don't operate within it - move along or at least try to get the law changed.

However the laws on fraud are there to protect the innocents - otherwise the unscrupulous would walk all over us - er - wouldn't they?!?

Just my tuppence worth
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 08:46:26 AM »


French interview on TV.
It has subtitles.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16418
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 12:02:04 PM »

              France: Scientology appeal trial Nov. 3 - Dec. 1, 2011

    Translation of an article posted on May 9, 2011 on the website of French daily newspaper Le Figaro:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/05/09/97001-20110509FILWWW00435-scientologie-proces-en-appel-en-novembre.php
    Scientologie: procès en novembre
    Scientology: Trial in November
    AP
    May 9, 2011

    The French branch of the Church of Scientology, which was convicted and fined 400,000 euros for "organized fraud", will be retried in November by the Paris court of appeal, according to a judicial source, and the new trial will take place from November 3 to December 1, 2011.

    On October 27, 2009, the Paris correctional court convicted Scientology's two principal organizations in France, the "Spiritual Association of the Church of Scientology - Celebrity Centre" and the Scientology bookstore, and fined them, respectively, 400,000 euros and 200,000 euros.

    Six members of the Church of Scientology were convicted, four of whom received suspended prison sentences ranging from 10 to 24 months for "organized fraud". Two others were fined for "complicity in the illegal practice of pharmacy".

    The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by American science fiction writer Ron Hubbard.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2011, 01:15:59 PM »

                        Scientology suing the Government of France

    A June 3, 2011 Scientology press release announces that the "Spiritual Association of the Church of Scientology - Celebrity Centre" is suing the Government of France for one million euros in damages.

    The association was convicted of organized fraud in October 2009 (the press release omits this), but an appeal will be heard in Novermber 2011. During the summing up at the end of the trial in June 2009, prosecutor Maud Coujard requested that the association be dissolved. The press release says that this was a very grave error because dissolution was not permitted under French law at the time, and that this entails "legal consequences" because the prosecutor's remarks were reported around the world. Since prosecutors cannot be held individually responsible for errors committed while exercising their functions, Scientology is suing the State.

    The press release quotes the association's spokesperson: "As for the legal amendment that made such a sentence illegal [dissolution], it has been amply shown that Scientologists had as much to do with it as Christians did with the Great Fire of Rome in the year 64."

    Background: A cut-and-paste error in the text of a revised law deleted the provision that would have allowed the court to order the dissolution of Scientology in France. The revision became law on May 13, 2009, but it went unnoticed by prosecutors and cult watchers until September 2009. The provision was later restored, but cannot be applied retroactively.

    Press release:
    Communiqué : l’Eglise de Scientologie poursuit l’état français pour 1 million d’euros
    http://www<dot>ericroux<dot>com/Communique-l-Eglise-de-Scientologie-poursuit-l-etat-francais-pour-1-million-d-euros_a145<dot>html

    Also reported in French media, for example Le Figaro, June 3, 2011:
   http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/06/03/97001-20110603FILWWW00478-la-scientologie-assigne-l-etat-pour-faute.php

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23484-Scientology-suing-the-Government-of-France
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 09:04:33 PM »

                  Arnaud Palisson vindicated by Scientology's fraud conviction in France

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?26217-Arnaud-Palisson-vindicated-by-Scientology-s-fraud-conviction-in-France

                               Thursday, 24 May 2012
                                 Scientology cries foul over Paris case

Scientology is arguing that the magistrate who prepared the organised fraud case against it was “indoctrinated”: the latest in a series of bids to get its conviction overturned.

http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/05/scientology-cries-foul.html
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 08:16:29 AM »

France's supreme court reviewing Scientology's appeal
Translation of a French article posted on September 4, 2013 on the website of the daily newspaper Libération:
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2013/09/04/sectes-la-condamnation-de-la-scientologie-examinee-en-cassation_929307

                                     
                                         Appeal of Scientology's conviction before the Court of Cassation


The supreme Court of Cassation is today reviewing the appeal filed by the Church of Scientology, whose the two main entities in France were convicted of organized fraud in 2012 by the Paris Court of Appeal.

On February 2, 2012, the Court of Appeal upheld fines of 400,000 euros for the Celebrity Centre and of 200,000 euros for SEL, the Scientology bookstore. The Court of Appeal also confirmed or increased the sentences given to five Scientologists in 2009 by the Paris Correctional Court.

Alain Rosenberg, the "de facto leader" of Scientology in Paris, and Sabine Jacquart, a former president of the Celebrity Centre, were handed a two-year suspended sentence and fined 30,000 euros for organized fraud.

The prosecution had accused the defendants of exploiting the vulnerability of former recruits to extract large sums of money from them.

The Celebrity Centre called the decision "totally biased and unfair," saying it was "the result of a kind of phantom trial with multiple irregularities and violations of the Scientologists' human rights."

In the statement he wrote before today's hearing, the prosecuting attorney argued for the dismissal of the appeal, except for a very small part of the procedure.

"Name me one church that does not ask its parishioners for money," said Louis Boré, the attorney representing Scientology before the Court of Cassation, responding to France Presse. The lawyer cited Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees freedom of religion.

As one of his colleagues had already stated, Louis Boré also said that, if the appeal is rejected, Scientology would take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights.

Scientology, which is classified as a cult in several French parliamentary reports, was founded in 1954 by American science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard and is considered a religion in the United States and in some European countries. It claims to have more than 10 million followers worldwide and 45,000 in France.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33013-France-s-supreme-court-reviewing-Scientology-s-appeal
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 09:17:06 AM »

                                                MONDAY, 7 OCTOBER 2013
Cassation I: How We Got Here

France's top court will next week rule whether the appeal
court's fraud convictions against Scientology should stand.
 Here is how we got here....


http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/10/how-we-got-here.html
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 02:24:21 PM »

                                     Church of Scientology cult fraud conviction to stand


France's top appeals court has upheld a fraud conviction and fines of hundreds of thousands of euros against the Church of Scientology, for taking advantage of vulnerable followers.
The Cour de Cassation Wednesday rejected the organization's request that a 2009 conviction for “organized fraud'' be overturned on the grounds it violated religious freedoms.
From their Los Angeles headquarters, the group slammed the court ruling as “an affront to justice and religious liberty,'' in a statement that accused the French government of “anti-religious extremism.’’

“The Court failed to address the fundamental violations of the human rights of each of the defendants that infected every level of this case,'' said the Scientology church, vowing to pursue the matter “at the international level.’’
The group has previously indicated it will appeal the conviction to the European Court of Human Rights, AFP reports.
The conviction saw Scientology's Celebrity Center and its bookshop in Paris, the two branches of its French operations, ordered to pay 600,000 euros in fines for preying financially on followers in the 1990s.

The original ruling, while stopping short of banning the group from operating in France, dealt a blow to the secretive movement best known for its Hollywood followers, such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta.
France regards Scientology as a cult, not a religion, and had prosecuted individual Scientologists before, but the 2009 trial marked the first time the organization as a whole had been convicted.
The head of a parliamentary group on religious cults in France, lawmaker Georges Fenech, hailed the ruling.
“Far from being a violation of freedom of religion, as this American organization contends, this decision lifts the veil on the illegal and highly detrimental practices'' of the group, said Fenech.

The court case followed a complaint by two women, one of whom said she was manipulated into handing over 20,000 euros in 1998 for Scientology products including an “electrometer'' to measure mental energy.
A second woman claimed she was forced by her Scientologist employer to undergo testing and enrol in courses, also in 1998. When she refused she was fired.

The Church of Scientology said in its statement that the involvement in the trial of UNADFI, a French anti-cult association, “polluted the proceedings, transforming it into a heresy trial.''
Founded in 1954 by US science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the Church of Scientology is recognized as a religion in the United States. It claims a worldwide membership of 12 million, including 45,000 followers in France.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=42005

http://www.nst.com.my/world/french-court-upholds-scientology-fraud-conviction-1.377992

http://www.41nbc.com/news/world-news/28538-french-court-upholds-conviction-of-scientologists

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/scientology-fraud-france_n_4108668.html?

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