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« on: January 09, 2010, 02:37:01 AM »

Scientologists, Trapped by Lies
When I stepped away from the Church of Scientology, I experienced an amazing feeling. It took a while to recognize the feeling.  After all, I'd been in Scientology for over 30 years.  I finally recognized what it was: I was overwhelmed with relief that, now, at last, I could accept and live with truth.

Up until that exact moment, I had not allowed myself to see how much lying was part of Scientology.

Now, it isn't that everything in Scientology is a lie.  There are things that are true.   In fact, it is the truth in Scientology that brings you in.

It is the lies that trap you.

After I left, I was free to look at everything, all the "forbidden" sites and the "forbidden" books.  I could talk to "forbidden" people.  There was lots and lots of information out there and I wanted all of it.

But, at first I could not figure out what was true and what was false.  That simple ability had disappeared over my years in Scientology.  While in Scientology, it was the church, and only the church, that told me, and all Scientologists, what was true and false.

Without this "guidance", I had to figure it out for myself.  But how?

Well, to help any newly-out Scientologists, I'll give you a few pointers.  Of course, you have to work out what is the truth for yourself, but here are some simple rules of thumb.

Liars will, of course, insist that they are telling the truth but, when challenged, will get very, very annoyed, adamant, defensive and/or insulting.  But they will never, ever provide proof of their claims.

Those telling the truth will, when challenged, provide proof.  If they have an opinion, it will be stated as such.

Liars will insist that you not look at opposing viewpoints, not do any research on your own or read anything that contradicts their lies. They will say terrible things about anyone who dares contradict them, accusing them of crimes and horrible behavior (but never providing actual proof).

Those telling the truth will have no objections to your research, your reading habits or who you talk to.  They will ask you to look for actual proof when deciding on something, but won't care where you get it.

As "proof" of their lies, liars will provide anonymous anecdotal stories, vague "statistics" that say nothing, and more lies.  They will not provide actual statistics, real facts or any proof.

Those telling the truth have evidence like original documents, videos, photos, court documents, official papers, declarations, attestations and so on.

When presented with evidence of their lying, liars will claim the evidence is false (but not provide any proof of that).  When presented with an overwhelming amount of evidence of their lying, liars will claim there is a vast conspiracy against them (but not provide any evidence of that either).

In case anyone missed it, my description of liars' behavior is exactly what the Church of Scientology does.

To newly-out Scientologists: It is embarrassing to find out how much you've been lied to, but that isn't any reason to continue believing in lies.  True freedom comes from living with the truth, whatever it is.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 02:04:58 AM »

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The SO # 1 lie
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 04:21:11 PM »

                         Believe it or not Ron is loved worldwide!
Believe it or Not....

Even though a few Scientologists believe, the rest of the world does not.

People in the real world (that use real facts and real numbers) do not even pay attention to Scientology's frantic hyperbolic fake stats.

Example: According to Bridge Publications, 83 million copies of Dianetics were sold in the forty years after publication. (1. wikipedia 2. Harris, Daniel (July 2, 1989). "Scientology's best seller". New York Post: p. 39.)

Scientology has reduced itself to the punchline of a joke. Scientologists don't notice that everyone is laughing at them--it's not what they believe they see--super theta VVGI's beings, blowing case and line charging. No, fellas, not exactly.
(Hint to Scientologists: Hey, keep working on those Obnosis drills--you ain't there quite yet).

Hmmmmm, let's see......self-proclaimed supernatural beings (Clears & OT's) working for 60 years to save the planet thru dissemination of Ron's books. Just how much impact have they had compared to other booksellers?

Here is the actual list of most published books which Scientology does not even appear on....

    Bible: (est.) 2.5 Billion to 6 Billion
    Koran: 800 Million
    Little Red Book (Mao): 800 Million
    Chairman Mao's Poems: 400 Million
    Xinhua Dictionary (Chinese): 400 Million
    Articles of Mao: 253 Million
    A Tale of Two Cities: 200 Million
    The Lord of the Rings: 150 Million
    Scouting for Boys: 100 Million to 150 Million
    Book of Mormon: 150 Million
    The Truth That Leads To Eternal Life (Jehovah's Witnesses): 107 Million
    The Hobbit: Over 100 Million
    Dream of The Red Chamber (紅樓夢): Over 100 Million
    On the Three Representations (论三个代表) 100 Million
    And Then There Were None: 100 Million
    The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe: 85 Million
    She: 83 Million
    Le Petit Prince: 80 Million
    The Da Vinci Code: 80 Million
    The Catcher in the Rye: 65 Million
    The Alchemist: 65 Million
    Steps to Christ: 60 Million
    Merriam Websters Collegiate Dictionary: 55 Million
    Heidi's Years of Wandering & Learning: 50 Million
    The Common Sense Book of Baby Care: 50 Million
    Anne of Green Gables: 50 Million
    Black Beauty: 50 Million
    The Name of the Rose: 50 Million
    The Hite Report: 48 Million
    Charlotte's Web: 45 Million
    The Tale of Peter Rabbit: 45 Million
    Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows: 44 Million
    Jonathan Livingston Seagull: 40 Million
    A Message to Garcia: 40 Million
    Roget's Thesaurus: 40 Million
    Angels and Demons: 39 Million
    Better Homes & Gardens Cook Book: 38 Million
    How the Steel Was Tempered (Как закалялась сталь): 36 Million
    War and Peace: 36 Million
    The Adventures Of Pinocchio: 35 Million
    Diary of Ane Frank: 30 Million
    What Would Jesus Do? 30 Million
    Oxfords Advanced Dictionary: 30 Million
    To Kill a Mockingbird: 30 Million
    Valley of the Dolls: 30 Million
    Gone with the Wind: 30 Million
    One Hundreds Years of Solitude: 30 Million
    The Purpose Driven Life: 30 Million
    The Thorn Birds: 30 Million
    Think and Grow Rich: 30 Million
    Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book: 30 Million
    The Revolt of Mamie Stover: 30 Million
    The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: 30 Million
    The Very Hungry Caterpillar: 30 Million
    The Late Great Planet Earth: 28 Million
    Betty Crocker Cookbook: 27 Million
    Who Moved My Cheese: 26 Million
    The Wind in the Willows: 25 Million
    Nineteen Eighty-Four: 25 Million
    The Celestine Prophecy: 23 Million
    The Godfather: 21 Million
    Love Story: 21 Million
    Shin Meikai Kokugo Jiten (Japanese Dictionary): 20 Million
    Wolf Totem: 20 Million
    English Grammar: 20 Million
    The Happy Hooker: 20 Million
    Jaws: 20 Million
    Love You Forever: 20 Million
    Sophie's World: 20 Million
    The Women's Room: 20 Million
    Where the Wild Things Are: 19 Million
    The Secret: 19 Million
    Fear Of Flying: 18 Million
    The Joy of Cooking: 18 Million
    Eigo Kihon Tangoshu (Japanese/English vocabulary) 17 Million
    Goodnight Moon: 16 Million
    Guess How Much I Love You: 15 Million
    The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: 15 Million
    Shogun: 15 Million
    Siken Ni Deru Eithango (English vocabulary, Japanese): 15 Million
    The Poky Little Puppy: 15 Million
    The Pillars of earth: 15 Million
    How To Win Friends & Influence People: 15 Million
    Perfume: 15 Million
    What to Expect When You're Expecting: 15 Million
    The Horse Whisperer: 15 Million
    The Shadow of the Wind: 15 Million
    The Shack: 15 Million
    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe: 14 Million
    Tuesdays with Morrie: 14 Million
    God's Little Acre: 14 Million
    Follow Your Heart: 14 Million
    The Outsiders: 13 Million
    Charlie and the Chocolate Factory: 13 Million
    Norwegian Wood: 12 Million
    New English-Japanese Dictionary: 12 Million
    Peyton Place: 12 Million
    Dune: 12 Million
    The Plague: 12 Million
    No Longer Human: 12 Million
    The Naked Ape: 12 Million
    Dictionary of Archaisms (旺文社古語辞典): 11 Million
    Kojien: 11 Million
    The Prophet: 11 Million
    The Exorcist: 11 Million
    The Gruffalo: 10 Million
    Catch-22: 10 Million
    Dictionary of the Japanese Language: 10 Million
    Eye of the Needle: 10 Million
    A Brief History of Time: 10 Million
    The Cat in the Hat: 10 Million
    The Lovely Bones: 10 Million
    Wild Swans: 10 Million
    Santa Evita: 10 Million
    Key to Practical Persona Care at Home (Japanese): 10 Million
    Night: 10 Million
    The Kite Runner: 10 Million
    Yu Dan's Gain From the Analects (Chinese): 10 Million
    The Total Woman: 10 Million
    Mein Kampf: 10 Million
    The Communist Manifesto: 10 Million
    Problems in China's Socialist Economy: 10 Million
    What Color Is Your Parachute?: 10 Million

"83 Million Copies" of Dianetics sold.

Yeah, Ron, we believe you.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2011, 09:22:09 AM »

And from 'Ron's Journal 68':

"...And the general attack line is along the line of human rights; yes human rights...

"Now I'll give you a clue on how this is handled, somebody comes up to you he's hostile - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you and he says <inaudible> and you say why are you against human rights and uh and if you know anything about human rights like the universal declaration of human rights, United Nations - that sort of thing you know if you know something about this subject you just follow it right straight up - in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just attack along this line of human rights, you see...

"Tell him or her ...uh ...the hostile person the hostile press line uh...for instance a newspaper writes an article on how bad Scientology is - any Scientologist reading this should run right to that newspaper and demand: Why are you against human rights?...

"Whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights - anyone making an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights...

"Each time Scientology is attacked, we build into society, if you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus response mechanism whereas an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights".

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM »

                    The TRUTH: We report, you decide OSA! LRH is a FRAUD! Check this out!!-LRH-is-a-FRAUD!-Check-this-out!
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 07:02:16 AM »

martyrathbun09 | April 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply

The church of Scientology International’s board members and WDC members and ED Int executed affidavits in a number of US Federal District Court houses in the early 80′s. Those affidavits swore that the SO #1 line had been manned by a number of secretaries for many years before and up to the early 80′s who handled and responded to LRH correspondence without his supervision. That is not to say LRH did not correspond to people outside church staff positions regularly up to the early 80s.

From comments  re   "Scientology  Inc  Justice"

That`s right folks....  Now even Scientology`s ex number two guy has admitted that all
your "Dear Ron" letters were being answered by a team of S.O. members.

So Hubbard was lying when he his SO *1 line said  "All mail addressed to me shall be recieved by me."

Utter bullshit.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 06:13:26 AM »

                  Exclusive New Texts from Scientology’s L. Ron Hubbard

Newly discovered tall tales from the scientology founder’s favorite club. By Tony Dokoupil
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