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« on: February 07, 2010, 01:22:13 AM »

http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=4198

http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=4249

Will Fry tells his story on camera.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 09:50:56 AM »

Here is the list...

The real honor roll

http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex-Scientologists_who_have_spoken_out
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 03:01:29 PM »

                            09/03/10 TODAY SHOW on NBC

2 Scientology Defectors speak tomorrow morning during the 7:30am half hour of the Today show on NBC.


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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 12:13:53 AM »

Survey: What Impinges — Results   By Mike Rinder

I recently posted a survey designed to discover what caused people to stop supporting the Church of Miscavology and what current Scientologists are disaffected about.

 Many responded on Steve Hall’s website, many more sent private emails. Thanks to everyone who participated. There were enough sordid stories to keep a horror movie fan occupied for nights on end. 

 The responses may be helpful in reaching out to others. They are summarized below.

 First, what impinged on you to start looking (there were 3 questions designed to get these answers and I have combined the results – of course this totals more than 100% as there was no limit on the number of things anyone could mention).

 Not too surprisingly. OUT TECH was the most common response. Of the 68% who answered with this, most said it was problems with Clear or being sent back to re-do steps on the Bridge.

 64% said it was the VULTURE CULTURE that shoved them out the door. More horror stories of late night reg visits, money being taken off account without permission, absolutely no concern for Bridge progress – just relentless and incessant “Give me your money. All of it. Now. Take a loan and give me more.”

 The next highest percentage (36%) was squirrel ETHICS/INJUSTICES. Many mentioned being on the other end of an ethics cycle where the Church protected a big contributor in direct violation of standard policy.

 35% said they saw Tommy Davis or the wicked witches LYING on TV or read the over-the-top Freedom Mags. Its always good to know what a great job the C of M PR machine does to swell the ranks of those who see the real truth.

 And Dear Leader’s IDEAL ORG strategy apparently only fools some of the people some of the time because 33% said they saw the lies as they had been in the orgs and knew they weren’t expanding, in spite of what the Chairman of Bullshit was trying to shove down their throats.

 25% also said they saw the INTERNET and various write-ups/KRs from Mary Jo, Jason Beghe, Haydn, Jeff, Sherry, Geir, Paul Haggis etc usually after seeing a MEDIA report

 And the other main answers were — the disappearance of management terminals in the church, seeing Dear Leader pretending to be Source or just being himself up close and personal (“unlikable” is the polite term), being forced to read “the Basics”, forced disconnection, mistreatment of staff, and the Glittery Age of Tech Alteration. And just one other noteworthy point – one in twenty said the behavior of Tom Cruise made them start looking for the truth.

 Now, these responses were interesting, but the real eye opener was: “What things do you know from personal experience are sources of upset from on-lines current Scientologists? (What have you heard others say — not just suspect).”

 This question may have gotten the single most uniform response I have ever seen on a survey.

  90% (the other 10% were people who said they didn’t speak to anyone currently in the church so had no answer!) said current Scientologists are upset about the VULTURE CULTURE.

 This broke down as follows:

 Crush regging/IAS creating dangerous environment/no interest expressed in Bridge progress only where is your money/endless phone calls – 62%

 Prices (mostly cost to do endless OT 7 sec checks) – 17%

 Mandatory events/briefings which are actually just reg events – 11%

 There were other answers about out tech, disconnection, injustices, Ideal Orgs, no delivery, GAT/Basics, the impossibility of reporting outnesses internally, lies at events and how it doesn’t add up to what is seen in the orgs – but there is a button that is guaranteed to hit home with current church members: REGGING.

 And more specifically, regging for the IAS/Org Buildings.

 This opens a BIG door. Many have commented in the past that the way to get someone in the church to look is give them an LRH reference. Of course, there is no LRH reference for the IAS or the Ideal Org “strategy” so its hard to show an omitted.

 But there is one LRH reference that is exactly on point.  It is something you don’t see referred to in the C of M these days, though it used to be broadly promoted. It is a magazine article LRH wrote in 1970 entitled What Your Fees Buy (title was changed later to What Your Donations Buy because fees sounded too commercial). Because this is such an important issue, the full text is made available on Steve’s website at http://www.scientology-cult.com/knowledge-center/419-what-your-fees-buy.html. You will not find it in the OEC or Tech Vols.

 To summarize the salient points – LRH says he knows Dianetics and Scientology services should be free and wishes they were so. But what you pay for SERVICES has to cover all manner of expenses as Scientology receives no government handouts. Your fees cover the cost of providing the services (the buildings and staff), the support for Sea Org Management, legal defense and PR, eradicating psychiatry and planetary suppression and implementing 4th dynamic programs to help society. You can now show to any Scientologist what LRH says your fees for SERVICES cover.

 Of course Dear Leader, finder of lost tech and stalwart of On Sauciness, has thrown this LRH reference out the window. What the hell, its “inconvenient” to current plans. So, let’s lose it – after all, I am the lost tech king, and it’s good to be the King!.

 Today Scientologists are expected to pay the IAS, the Ideal Orgs, CCHR, ABLE and WISE before you buy services. And even if you run that gauntlet and make it to a normal reg, they will try to sell you another set of Basic books or ACCs for your garage storage or to donate to libraries before they show any interest in actually moving you up the Bridge.

 But, the picture inside the Vulture Culture is even grimmer. While Scrooge McDuckage sits on his ever growing mountain of gold the subject is going to hell in a handbasket.  That mountain is well in excess of a billion dollars – and if someone wants proof of the orders of magnitude, see the IAS 25th anniversary Impact Mag listing ONLY those who  attained new Patron statuses just for the event – it totals $92 million. That does not include anyone who has ever become a Patron Gluteus Maximus or any other status at any other time, or annual or lifetime memberships. How much do you think the IAS has sucked out over 25 years? 

 Now, here is where the depravity really comes in. Dear Leader has become a broken record about how his “Ideal Orgs” are the only thing that will accomplish planetary clearing. In fact, he has conditioned the release of the mythical OT IX and X on all orgs becoming “Ideal”. And of course, an “Ideal Org” is a MEST item, not a Saint Hill size org. A lavish building. It’s why all the vultures circle – to get the MONEY to buy and renovate the building in order to make another “Ideal Org”. You cannot be an Ideal Org unless you have a new fancy building including the “Fully Automated Robot Television™ Public Divisions” (FART).

 So here is the burning question every Scientologist should be asking.

 If you could actually handle this planet and move people on to the highest OT levels (people who have been waiting for 20 years) by creating Ideal Orgs everywhere – why not BUY THEM FROM THE BILLION+ DOLLARS YOU ALREADY HAVE? (Granted, Dear Leader doesn’t let on how much money he has, but any blind bat with a calculator could read the IAS glitzfest mags and see the orders of magnitude)

 If there are 100 orgs needing buildings (and there are certainly NOT more than that as there hasn’t been a new org in 20 years) and you allocated $5 million to each (which will buy and renovate a palace in most cities where there are orgs all the most expensive cities except Tokyo and Paris are done), that’s only half a billion? Wouldn’t even use half of McDuckage’s mound of gold (and just think of the massive income those orgs would generate, flourishing and prospering as they would be AND Dear Leader would still own all the property!) So, why not do this to save the planet?

 Because it is predicated on a HUGE lie. These buildings do NOT make an org that flourishes and prospers. They send 50 Sea Org Missionaires to force some stats out of thelatest ones for a video and the majority languish below make-break point. Invite anyone to visit the original pilot Ideal Org – the one everyone else is supposed to pattern their expansion on: Buffalo. It’s a small and failing, empty org in a lavish, oversized and now rundown building. Or stop by San Francisco where teenage bodyrouters in Girl Guide uniforms will entice you into the org to give you free energy saving lightbulbs and then try to convince you to take a FART tour. Or, or, or.

 But, I am afraid, it is even worse than this. Dear Leader is seeing that his sales pitch is starting to wear thin. It is becoming obvious as more and more “Ideal Buildings” are bought that this is NOT clearing the planet. So, what’s the new line of the vulture culture?  Donate to the IAS so they can make a stable planet so we can build Ideal Orgs!!! Whatever happened to making a safe planet through delivery of Scientology? That’s what LRH said.

 So, you want to impinge on those who are still blinded by the bs?  Hit them where THEIR BPC is boiling. And give them an LRH reference, and some logic that cannot be denied, because it all comes right out of Dear Leader’s mouth and his publications.

 And hopefully enough people can be woken up before what was formerly known as the Church of Scientology becomes just a bunch of empty palaces with the only sign of “life” being the hollow sound of videos reverberating off the perfectly decorated walls.

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 08:11:33 PM »

Saturday, August 14, 2010
                                    Scientology and Control

    There is "good control" and "bad control."  The difference between them is certainty and uncertainty.
    L. Ron Hubbard
    New Slant on Life

Most people are not aware of how much Scientology is about control.

This is not emphasized in their literature, nor broadcast when they are trying to sell you things, but much of their technologies are about control -- how to control others.

You will notice, in the quote from L. Ron Hubbard, above, and in all teachings of Scientology, that nothing is said, and nothing is taught about ethical control.  "Good" control is defined as effectively getting others to carry out your wishes, no matter what those wishes are, no matter what the other person might wish.

Let's look at specific examples.

The "Communications" Course

The Scientology Communications Course, which is one of their introductory courses, is promoted as teaching a person how to "communicate effectively".  This course utilizes Hubbard's "TR Drills" to do this.  These TR Drills are done on many courses as one trains on Scientology technologies.

And what are the goals of these TR Drills?  The TRs are there to specifically and only teach a person how to get their commands complied with or get their questions answered.  Period.  They have no other purpose.

How to have a normal conversation?  Not taught.  How to create a friendly environment where normal conversations can take place?  Not taught.  How to make people feel at ease and draw them out?  Not taught.

No, the Communications Course and all courses that utilize the TRs are only teaching a person how to control others through communication.

Hubbard's Tone Scale

Here is a simplified version of the Tone Scale:

    4.0   Enthusiasm
    3.5   Cheerfulness
    3.0   Conservatism
    2.5   Boredom
    2.0   Antagonism
    1.5   Anger
    1.1   Covert hostility
    1.0   Fear
    0.5   Grief
    0.0   Death

Many people have now seen this scale.  The emotions are pretty easy to understand, but what's with all those numbers?

It's all about control.  Hubbard created and taught his tone scale as a method of controlling others.  No more, no less.  Hubbard taught that, if you assumed a "tone level" that was .5 to 1.0 above another's tone, you could control them, and make them do what you want.  Or, you could assume a "tone level" .5 to 1.0 below their tone to drive them "down tone" and make them ineffective.

It's all about control.

The "ARC Triangle"


L. Ron Hubbard taught that Affinity, Reality and Communication were the three corners of this ARC Triangle.  When dealing with others, if you raised one, you would automatically raise the other two.  If you lowered one, you would automatically lower the other two.

In other words, the purpose of this "ARC Triangle" is to control others.

Lying

    The only way to control people is to lie to them.
    L. Ron Hubbard
    On Control and Lying

Scientologists are taught, from very early on, not to tell non-Scientologists all about Scientology.  Don't talk about past lives.  Don't talk about "space opera".  Don't talk about OT.  Scientologists are carefully coached as to what to say and how to say it.  And what not to say.

They call this "acceptable truths", "shore stories", "communicating at the proper 'reality level'" and other such euphemisms for lying.

Scientologists are told such lying is necessary because, otherwise, the public wouldn't respond correctly and wouldn't come in.  In other words, Scientologists are taught to tell lies in order to control the public and bring them in.

It's all about control

There are many, many other examples of this in Scientology. Hubbard taught that there were many key phrases to cave a person in -- so you could control them.  Hubbard said that certain images from OT III materials would control people and cause them to be unable to resist buying his books.  Hubbard believed in positioning as a way to secretly control the way people thought about Scientology so that they would react favorably, without facts and without logic.

Control is a major part of Scientology.  Controlling people.  Controlling you.

So, when you are trying to have a conversation with a Scientologist, they are using "communication" to control you.  When you try to be open about your emotions with a Scientologist, they are figuring out which "tone level" to use to control you.  They are working to manipulate your affinity, reality and communication to control you.

And, when you are looking for the truth, Scientologists are trying to figure out which "acceptable truth" to tell you -- to control you.

Hopefully, this will help people understand why talking with Scientologists so often seems artificial, stilted, awkward and non-sequitur.  Scientologists have had all their natural social skills replaced with Scientology techniques for control.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 11:55:28 PM »

I wouldn't believe a word Rinder says.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 11:18:49 AM »

Sunday, August 29, 2010

                           Scientology: Selling Invisible Things


There is a marketing phrase, "selling the invisible", used to describe the challenge faced by advertising to sell potential customers on the "sizzle" instead of (or in addition to) the steak.

But that's not what I'm referring to when it comes to Scientology's selling of the invisible.

What I'm referring to is the amazing marketing success of L. Ron Hubbard and his Dianetics/Scientology organization in selling something that may not exist at all.

I don't want to get into an argument about the validity of Scientology, since that is a matter of belief, I only want to point out this amazing fact:  There is, and never has been, any actual, valid evidence that Hubbard's "Reactive Mind" exists.  It cannot be detected by any physical means.  It cannot be measured, weighed or tested.

And yet Hubbard sold it quite lucratively for many, many years and his Church of Scientology continues to sell it to this day.

Hubbard said, "You have this very, very evil, horrible thing attached to you that is the cause of all your problems.  You can't see it.  No one has ever seen it or detected it, but it is there and it is very evil.  Pay my organization a lot of money and we will get rid of it for you."

And then, after tens thousands of dollars and many months, or even years, of "auditing", the Scientology organization declares: "We did it!  Your Reactive Mind is now gone!  Congratulations! You are 'Clear'!"

What is the difference between having something you can't detect at all and not having it?  Apparently, tens of thousands of dollars.

Whether it is true or not, the miraculous thing is, how the heck do they sell that?  This truly is the ultimate in "selling the invisible".

I have spoken to many "Clears" after they have left Scientology and have recovered from the Scientology thought control, and every single one of them has confessed that they felt no significant difference after they were "declared Clear".

And yet, most of them were happy to continue on "up the Bridge".  I know I was.

"But," as they say on TV, "that's not all!"

After Scientology has gotten rid of this invisible, undetectable thing, what else is there?

Amazingly, but not surprisingly, it turns out there are a lot more invisible, undetectable things that you need to get rid of.

Sure, there is no physical evidence that these things exist.  Sure, there is no way to measure, test or validate their existence -- but they are there and only Scientology can get rid of them -- if you give them much more money and spend much more time getting auditing.

And quite a number of people buy that.

And, after much, much money -- now hundreds of thousands of dollars -- and many years, Scientology finally declares, "We did it!  All those bad things are now gone!  Congratulations! You are 'OT VII'!"

And all these "OT VIIs" and "OT VIIIs" look and act just like everyone else.  They aren't demonstrating any amazing successes or powers.  They aren't demonstrating great changes.  Again, I've talked to a number of "OT VIIs" after they have left Scientology and they confess that things aren't that different.

Even current True Believers only claim vague gains, "My life has changed," "I'm better," -- the kind of "improvements" reported by any and all religions and self-improvement technologies.

What do you want to bet that, if David Miscavige decides to create some OT levels above OT VIII, that it involves some newly discovered, undetectable, invisible things that only Miscavige knows about and you just have to get rid of?

Hubbard, and Scientology, do an amazing and, some would say, an impossible job of selling invisible things.  There is no evidence that any of these things exist.  There is no evidence that these things have been removed.  And there is no indication that the "removal" of these things made any noticeable difference.  And yet the Church of Scientology rakes in millions and millions selling these invisible, undetectable "results".

There are, I am sure, many sales people who would love to know how to do that.  It is a truly amazing sales miracle.

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2011, 05:53:38 PM »

                             Personal confession and accusation


I have been reading PC folders for the past few weeks. Programs, auditor thinks and all that mumbo jumbo to help me piece together the truth and work through what has happened to me and others.

Auditors, myself included become quite arrogant. The more I read, the more I saw how the help was really not help, oh to the auditors and C/S's writing this crap, they were justified, but the snide remarks are just so blatant it is astounding and disgusting.

The eloquent ways you can say a PC is a piece of shit is amazing. It’s clear to see it’s about stats and money after a while, or the all important hours in the chair, F/N at exams and all the rest of it. Yea we say we care, but actions and what’s written in the folders tell a different story.

A common thread if you really look at the FES’s in this guy or gal’s folder, who has been on lines 10, 20, 30 years and has completed grade IV or NED or OT3 etc, it keeps coming up; OBJ not flat, still out ethics, still out 2D, still masturbates, still 1.1 on the tone scale and on and on. When does this shit get handled, OT 100.

It’s amazing it took me so long to see it.

My confession is that I was (and maybe still am) an arrogant, hypocritical, manipulative SOB. My accusation is that so are all, yes I said all, of the auditors past and present in my HGC. Any staff lurkers don’t believe me, go have a look, it will hit you like a ton of bricks.

If PC’s knew what their auditors really think of them!

Yea, I am still angry.

Thin line I am walking being in the org everyday and being here. Working toward freedom little by little.

Ethicsbait

P.S. Do I sound like American?

This post I may come to regret later I know, like I said I am angry.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=23111
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 07:01:02 PM »

                   AKA Mike Roiger's SP Declare

Scan of a real OT Eight Certificate.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25553-AKA-Mike-Roiger-s-SP-Declare
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 09:56:04 PM »

                Fantasy Vs. Reality: Scrap Metal and Cult Foam Wreckage

   Great thread by J Swift

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=45659
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 07:32:54 PM »

                        Pauline Lombard speaks against Scientology Orange County   19 April 2012

Paulien Lombard spoke out about having been used by the church to spy on critics, and now spoke to the Santa Ana city council about the soon-to-open idle org there. The opening is supposed to be the 28th of April.


Paulien Lombard spoke at the Santa Ana City Council meeting against the pending opening of the Church of Scientology there. The church attempts to portray itself as a normal church, but it is anything but.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NDMxmWssJQs
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2012, 11:08:10 AM »

                      Video of Ex-Scientologist: "I Never Said to Myself, Wow the Church is Fucked Up"

By Josh Dulaney Fri., Jun. 8 2012

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/oc_ideal_scientology_santa_ana.php
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2012, 11:15:48 AM »

                      Video of Ex-Scientologist: "I Never Said to Myself, Wow the Church is Fucked Up"

By Josh Dulaney Fri., Jun. 8 2012

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/oc_ideal_scientology_santa_ana.php
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 08:17:49 AM »

                                  Ex-Scientologist: Life in the Sea Org (Scientology's Elite Corps)

 Published on 10 Apr 2013

I wanted to speak about the time that I spent in the Sea Org so I could share with everyone.

The address to the place I worked is:

1306 L Ron Hubbard Way, Los Angeles, CA

It is called the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles. The building I lived in is right across the street.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 04:36:21 PM »

                                        David Miscavige Scientology slammed today by Karen De La Carriere

day, ex-Scientologist, Karen De La Carriere uses satire to expose the lies of Scientology leader, David Miscavige, revealing his shortcomings and shameful behaviour of misrepresenting to parishoners, the destruction of psychiatry.

WireService.ca Media Release - (03/16/2014)

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On a Facebook post, Karen 'declares', "David Miscavige views himself as a Legend in his Own Mind. He commands Time, Space, Dimensions we know of and other Dimensions we know nothing of. [Miscavige] -- The master of the spiritual future destiny of all Scientologists."

"Four times a year, every 3 months, David Miscavige, Scientology leader and dark heart, has an "International Event". Here he declares the most amazing statistics of how Scientology is practically taking over the world."

Karen De La Carriere is indeed, a person who speaks her mind on her YouTube channel, 'Surviving Scientology' with 8,170 subscribers and 1,365,920 views.

Karen's journey in Scientology lasted decades. "She worked aboard the flagship Apollo with founder L. Ron Hubbard and after 35 years of active contribution, Scientology Incorporated manipulated her son against her and he was forced to DISCONNECT."

Following the death of Karen's son, she was blocked from seeing his body at the morgue by the 'Black Bag' operation of the "Church" called "Office of Special Affairs - micro managed by David Miscavige.

"These events have motivated Karen into disclose more and undress the fabricated "Religious Cloaking" of a "church" that has been on a 30 year CRIME WAVE."

In today's 'Surviving Scientology' video, Karen De La Carriere uses wit and satire as a creative tool to ridicule Miscavige's vices, follies, abuses, and utter misrepresentations to blind, indoctrinated followers.

Today's video demonstrates ludicrous claims by David Miscavige:

MISCAVIGE: "In rehab centers [Narconon] where we now salvage and educate to cut drug use every 60 seconds and in classrooms where we now bring the gift of learning and literacy to students every 10 seconds."

KAREN: "I want to believe this is true … I want to believe this. Dazzling statistics but there is no way of proving any of it."

MISCAVIGE: "If you've heard expansion in the last 5 years was greater than the last 50 years combined, it's true, except we just doubled it all over again in the last 12 months, so yes, thine eyes have seen the glory of the International Association of Scientologists."

KAREN: "I think I've reached a higher state of awareness … looking at this … but my ears hurt …"

As Miscavige attacks psychiatry with his global extinction agenda, Karen De La Carriere responds with, "I've been attending these IAS events for many, many years, and I've heard about the destruction of psychiatry - the obliteration of psychiatry, but it is a puzzle because psychiatry is not destroyed."

David Miscavige compares his 'Scientology Online' statistics to the Vatican, Mormon, and even Tony Ortega's online statistics.

KAREN: "WOW … I am so impressed … I am dazzled … in fact, I'm feeling an urge to take out my Visa, Master, America Express."

MISCAVIGE: "The Church of Scientology didn't just win, rather, our victory is now thee human rights standard for religious freedom across all of Europe."

KAREN: "I think this is just wonderful … oh' my … I might not even be able to sleep tonight … I am so excited."

Miscavige speaks about a publication claiming that, "Scientology influences our legislators, our Food and Drug Administration, our schools, and our media," -- emphasizing Scientology's [CCHR] actions as "Psych-Busters."

Today, Karen De La Carriere uses satire and irony as an effective source to understand a corrupt, intolerant organization under what 'some' have called: "A sociopath dictator who micro manages a business, not a so-called religious entity."

Scientology as a BUSINESS:

On March 14, 2014, Tony Ortega's 'Underground Bunker, headlines, 'TEXAS JUDGE DENIES SCIENTOLOGY'S 'ANTI-SLAPP' MOTION IN RATHBUN SUIT', and Ortega gives us stunning details:

"The Scientology defendants filed an 'anti-SLAPP' motion, claiming that Monique's lawsuit was merely an attempt to stifle the church's free-speech rights. In a controversial move, Scientology admitted to sending the private eyes and other operatives to follow and confront the Rathbuns, but argued that it was within the church's religious rights. Granting the motion would have ended the suit."

"Instead, Judge Waldrip found that Scientology's own affidavits and testimony showed that it had initiated its campaign against Marty Rathbun as a way of protecting its turf in a trademark dispute, and as a business dispute, the anti-SLAPP motion doesn't apply. We have the detailed motion below."

"As Defendant CSI [Church of Scientology International] asserts and argues, Mark Rathbun's activity of offering Scientology services is a business. If so, the Church's own activity of offering Scientology services is also a business."

http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=11661
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